is gazumping/higher offers back everywhere in UK?

MobileSaver

moneysavinghero said:

MobileSaver said:

GarretC said:

I'm shocked with the number of people making long-term decisions based on short-term situations.

I haven't seen any of this data. Can you share a link to where you've seen details on all these people making long-term decisions based on short-term situations?

If you read this forum you will see many people saying they are pushing their finances to the limit just to stand a chance of 'winning' the property they want because 'prices are getting crazy right now'.

Maybe I misunderstood @GarretC, I thought they were talking about people moving to cheaper areas now they could work from home?

House prices have been increasing for years so I wouldn't regard that as a short-term situation.

JJR45

MobileSaver said:

Any half-decent company will offer Working From Home as a win-win for both the employer and the employee...

I presume you are excluding Google and FB as non-half-decent employers then?
Can you explain how a company not offering to work from home is not half-decent?

Salemicus

Most people in high paying jobs are already competing nationally and indeed internationally. The high-flying financiers referenced earlier in this thread could just as well be located in Singapore, New York, etc. Moving to fully remote is undesirable if it affects your productivity (e.g. by making it harder to liaise with your colleagues) but the idea that it will make it possible for your employer to outsource you to a lower wage country is laughable. If you can work from home at all, your employer can already replace you if they want. You just might not realise it yet.

MobileSaver

JJR45 said:

MobileSaver said:

Any half-decent company will offer Working From Home as a win-win for both the employer and the employee...

I presume you are excluding Google and FB as non-half-decent employers then?
Can you explain how a company not offering to work from home is not half-decent?

You misunderstood my words. I meant that any half-decent company that was considering offering WFH would do so to benefit both the company and the staff.

GarretC

MobileSaver said:

GarretC said:

I'm shocked with the number of people making long-term decisions based on short-term situations.

I haven't seen any of this data. Can you share a link to where you've seen details on all these people making long-term decisions based on short-term situations?

I could introduce you to the colleagues and acquaintances if you wish? I never said there was a mass exodus, just that there are people making these decisions.

JJR45

Salemicus said:

. Moving to fully remote is undesirable if it affects your productivity (e.g. by making it harder to liaise with your colleagues) but the idea that it will make it possible for your employer to outsource you to a lower wage country is laughable. 

See I am not 100% on that bit, I saw an accounting company say their staff can now work from home, that can easily be outsourced.
The tech industry has been outsourcing highly technical jobs to lower-paid countries for years.

MobileSaver

GarretC said:

MobileSaver said:

GarretC said:

I'm shocked with the number of people making long-term decisions based on short-term situations.

I haven't seen any of this data. Can you share a link to where you've seen details on all these people making long-term decisions based on short-term situations?

I could introduce you to the colleagues and acquaintances if you wish? I never said there was a mass exodus, just that there are people making these decisions.

Your comment "I'm shocked with the number of people" gave the impression there were lots of people doing so and certainly did not suggest you were only talking about a handful of people that you know personally.

GarretC

JJR45 said:

Salemicus said:

. Moving to fully remote is undesirable if it affects your productivity (e.g. by making it harder to liaise with your colleagues) but the idea that it will make it possible for your employer to outsource you to a lower wage country is laughable. 

See I am not 100% on that bit, I saw an accounting company say their staff can now work from home, that can easily be outsourced.
The tech industry has been outsourcing highly technical jobs to lower-paid countries for years.

Luckily for auditors, the FRC are pushing back against the drive to outsource. After years of trying to get my jobs at a higher % outsourced to India, suddenly that had to be reigned in and on-shored. There's actually a difficulty in getting sufficient UK-based auditors to do the job. The media talking about how they're going to be replaced by robots/offshore, or basically just dunking on the whole profession, probably isn't helping.

JJR45

GarretC said:

JJR45 said:

Salemicus said:

. Moving to fully remote is undesirable if it affects your productivity (e.g. by making it harder to liaise with your colleagues) but the idea that it will make it possible for your employer to outsource you to a lower wage country is laughable. 

See I am not 100% on that bit, I saw an accounting company say their staff can now work from home, that can easily be outsourced.
The tech industry has been outsourcing highly technical jobs to lower-paid countries for years.

Luckily for auditors, the FRC are pushing back against the drive to outsource. After years of trying to get my jobs at a higher % outsourced to India, suddenly that had to be reigned in and on-shored. There's actually a difficulty in getting sufficient UK-based auditors to do the job. The media talking about how they're going to be replaced by robots/offshore, or basically just dunking on the whole profession, probably isn't helping.

I work in tech industry, a fair amount of the support (high and low level) has now switch out to places like Hyderabad. Don't get me wrong, there is still a bit of UK based support but it has thinned drastically in the last 10 years.
But yes I agree, the media frenzy that we will all be replaced by robots is not that helpful.

JJR45

MobileSaver said:

I meant that any half-decent company that was considering offering WFH would do so to benefit both the company and the staff.

In your opinion.
Just seems odd that the companies with the greatest analytics available want staff in most if not 100% of the time (Google, Amazon to name a few)

There have been a number of companies already role back from 100% WFH even after saying early on that staff could.

Recent studies show that people tend to work longer hours when at home also, so even the greater work life balance argument flies out the window.