Son failed driving test.

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Deleted_User said:

Pedals? My 50cc bike had no pedals mate.

The definition of moped changed in 1977, to sub 50cc, restricted to 31mph, no need for pedals. (Now it is 28mph)

The early 70s were the times of the FS1E and AP50, with an overbore, file to the ports, a micron pipe & clip-on handlebars, an emaciated 16 year old could get one to 70mph on the speedo, likely an actual speed of 45 to 50 mph.

Happy times

chrisw

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Deleted_User said:

Pedals? My 50cc bike had no pedals mate.

The early 70s were the times of the FS1E and AP50, with an overbore, file to the ports, a micron pipe & clip-on handlebars, an emaciated 16 year old could get one to 70mph on the speedo, likely an actual speed of 45 to 50 mph.

Haha, yeah, Fizzy at 16, Honda CB250N Super (Wet) Dream at 17 on L plates.

GeordieGeorge

Deleted_User said:

It's all a money making scam. I failed my first test because some idiot in a Range Rover didn't give way at a roundabout. Nice money earner for the Govt. 

I love a good conspiracy theory, the less plausible the better, so this one’s great. Having just paid £660 to tax one of my cars, and £100 to fill it up with petrol, the idea that not letting me drive by failing me unfairly is a money-making scheme is laughable.

You need to take responsibility for your own mistakes. I assume you’re very young, but once you move out of your parents home you really can’t keep saying “it’s unfair” when you mess up.

Biggus_Dickus

Mickey666 said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

Mickey666 said:

silverwhistle said:

Mickey666 said:

As for the conspiracy theory (because it has to be someone else's fault, right?), the Govt didn't make much money from me because I passed first time after just two lessons    Presumably my previous four years motorcycle experience had honed my instincts enough to readily spot the idiots who don't give way at roundabouts, among so many other things. 
Self-preservation tends to have that effect

Drat you! I needed 4, although a less experienced M/C rider, plus probably as a late starter a bit older too.;-)

As for LeeUK, having noticed quite a number of his posts I'm not sure he should be driving even now!

Four is still pretty good!  Just goes to show the value of driving experience and motorcycling is certainly a good way to develop road awareness.  Unfortunately it can also be a little bit 'Darwinian', so is perhaps not ideal, but of all my friends who started driving motorcycles as soon as possible, most of them passed their driving test with very few formal driving lessons.

But of course, the days of sending off for a provisional driving licence at 17, slapping an L-plate on a 250cc motorbike and driving off into the sunset are long gone!

Far off days indeed;...when I was a yoof any number of my mates and acquaintance rode off into the sunset on their 250cc Suzuki’s;...unfortunately a good proportion rode off into oblivion. The number of fatalities was horrendous and tragic.

16 year old kids let loose on a 250cc bike;...a recipe for disaster. Thanks god things have improved massively since then.

Quick footnote: In the 1930’s  if you passed a motorcycle test you could immediately graduate to driving a car!...no further test required. Good idea, eh? .😁

I'm pretty sure 16 year-olds were restricted to a 50cc bike that had to have pedals as well (hence 'moped').  No cool enough for me, so I waited until I was 17 before 'letting loose' on a 250cc Honda with an L-plate   A recipe for disaster?  Well certainly a risk that some did not survive, hence my previous 'Darwinian' comment.

Another footnote: It was also possible to get HGV licences, even class 1, without taking a test in the 'good old days'.

I’ve never been a biker myself but I think the rules on 16 year old learners riding 250cc bikes probably?? changed in the 70’s. As a schoolboy I remember there were lots of kids (some no longer with us)  riding 250cc bikes who definitely weren’t 17;...unless they were all riding illegally of course, which I guess was a distinct possibility given the area that I grew up in. 😊

I’ve seen graphs of motorcycling casualties and in the 60’s/70’s  the figures for all ages were horrendous;...the various measure that the authorities have introduced over the decades have obviously  been successful as the drop in casualty rate has been remarkable.

16-21 year olds are still the most casualty prone group but there is now a curious spike in casualties for the 40-50 year old age group;...what’s all that about then?

Reference your comment about HGVs;...my mates old dad drove lorries in the Army. Never had any formal training of any kind and didn’t pass a test of any description but when he left the Army he was given a full HGV and car licence;...he’d never driven a car in his life at that point. He was the worst ‘car’ driver I ever met and forever crashing into things;...think, Detective Frank Drebin,...but much worse.

 

 

 

 

 

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GeordieGeorge said:

Deleted_User said:

It's all a money making scam. I failed my first test because some idiot in a Range Rover didn't give way at a roundabout. Nice money earner for the Govt. 

I love a good conspiracy theory, the less plausible the better, so this one’s great. Having just paid £660 to tax one of my cars, and £100 to fill it up with petrol, the idea that not letting me drive by failing me unfairly is a money-making scheme is laughable.

You need to take responsibility for your own mistakes. I assume you’re very young, but once you move out of your parents home you really can’t keep saying “it’s unfair” when you mess up.

I already posted above saying they need a couple of fails for every pass. I didn't say they want to permanently keep you failed.

Very young? I've been on this forum since 2006 so how young was I then!

Car_54

Deleted_User said:

GeordieGeorge said:

Deleted_User said:

It's all a money making scam. I failed my first test because some idiot in a Range Rover didn't give way at a roundabout. Nice money earner for the Govt. 

I love a good conspiracy theory, the less plausible the better, so this one’s great. Having just paid £660 to tax one of my cars, and £100 to fill it up with petrol, the idea that not letting me drive by failing me unfairly is a money-making scheme is laughable.

You need to take responsibility for your own mistakes. I assume you’re very young, but once you move out of your parents home you really can’t keep saying “it’s unfair” when you mess up.

I already posted above saying they need a couple of fails for every pass. I didn't say they want to permanently keep you failed.

Very young? I've been on this forum since 2006 so how young was I then!

"A couple of fails for every pass" means a pass rate of 33%.

It's actually been 46-47% for at least the last 15 years, so (again) not very successful as a money-making scam.

Mickey666

Biggus_Dickus said:

Mickey666 said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

Mickey666 said:

silverwhistle said:

Mickey666 said:

As for the conspiracy theory (because it has to be someone else's fault, right?), the Govt didn't make much money from me because I passed first time after just two lessons    Presumably my previous four years motorcycle experience had honed my instincts enough to readily spot the idiots who don't give way at roundabouts, among so many other things. 
Self-preservation tends to have that effect

Drat you! I needed 4, although a less experienced M/C rider, plus probably as a late starter a bit older too.;-)

As for LeeUK, having noticed quite a number of his posts I'm not sure he should be driving even now!

Four is still pretty good!  Just goes to show the value of driving experience and motorcycling is certainly a good way to develop road awareness.  Unfortunately it can also be a little bit 'Darwinian', so is perhaps not ideal, but of all my friends who started driving motorcycles as soon as possible, most of them passed their driving test with very few formal driving lessons.

But of course, the days of sending off for a provisional driving licence at 17, slapping an L-plate on a 250cc motorbike and driving off into the sunset are long gone!

Far off days indeed;...when I was a yoof any number of my mates and acquaintance rode off into the sunset on their 250cc Suzuki’s;...unfortunately a good proportion rode off into oblivion. The number of fatalities was horrendous and tragic.

16 year old kids let loose on a 250cc bike;...a recipe for disaster. Thanks god things have improved massively since then.

Quick footnote: In the 1930’s  if you passed a motorcycle test you could immediately graduate to driving a car!...no further test required. Good idea, eh? .😁

I'm pretty sure 16 year-olds were restricted to a 50cc bike that had to have pedals as well (hence 'moped').  No cool enough for me, so I waited until I was 17 before 'letting loose' on a 250cc Honda with an L-plate   A recipe for disaster?  Well certainly a risk that some did not survive, hence my previous 'Darwinian' comment.

Another footnote: It was also possible to get HGV licences, even class 1, without taking a test in the 'good old days'.

I’ve never been a biker myself but I think the rules on 16 year old learners riding 250cc bikes probably?? changed in the 70’s. As a schoolboy I remember there were lots of kids (some no longer with us)  riding 250cc bikes who definitely weren’t 17;...unless they were all riding illegally of course, which I guess was a distinct possibility given the area that I grew up in. 😊

I’ve seen graphs of motorcycling casualties and in the 60’s/70’s  the figures for all ages were horrendous;...the various measure that the authorities have introduced over the decades have obviously  been successful as the drop in casualty rate has been remarkable.

16-21 year olds are still the most casualty prone group but there is now a curious spike in casualties for the 40-50 year old age group;...what’s all that about then?

Reference your comment about HGVs;...my mates old dad drove lorries in the Army. Never had any formal training of any kind and didn’t pass a test of any description but when he left the Army he was given a full HGV and car licence;...he’d never driven a car in his life at that point. He was the worst ‘car’ driver I ever met and forever crashing into things;...think, Detective Frank Drebin,...but much worse.

I suspect those are the 'mid-life-crisis' born again bikers trying to recapture their lost youth and discovering that their teenage bikes were pathetically under-powered compared to many of today's machines that are better suited for track days than public roads.  They buy a gleaming new dream bike, crank up the throttle and kill themselves going off the road at the first bend.  Still, that's the 'rock n roll' dream ending isn't it?

Flight3287462

Depends where you sit your test.  Lochgilphead near me is over 70% whilst Anniesland is around 37%

caprikid1

Deleted_User said:

GeordieGeorge said:

Deleted_User said:

It's all a money making scam. I failed my first test because some idiot in a Range Rover didn't give way at a roundabout. Nice money earner for the Govt. 

I love a good conspiracy theory, the less plausible the better, so this one’s great. Having just paid £660 to tax one of my cars, and £100 to fill it up with petrol, the idea that not letting me drive by failing me unfairly is a money-making scheme is laughable.

You need to take responsibility for your own mistakes. I assume you’re very young, but once you move out of your parents home you really can’t keep saying “it’s unfair” when you mess up.

I already posted above saying they need a couple of fails for every pass. I didn't say they want to permanently keep you failed.

Very young? I've been on this forum since 2006 so how young was I then!

I think he meant immature not necessarily young...

Richard53

Riding a motorcycle was definitely 16 years originally, and you could ride any bike up to 250cc.  The age was raised to 17 at some point, but it was when Suzuki brought out the X7 and Yamaha the RD250, both capable of 100 mph, that the new rules came in. Clearly, a novice rider on a ton-plus machine was a recipe for carnage. I passed my bike test in 1973 by riding a Honda C70 round a block in town, first clockwise then anticlockwise, plus an emergency stop, with the examiner watching from the pavement. Immediately, I was legally able to buy and ride something like a Norton Commando. The current system has its faults, but it's got to be better than the system it replaced.