TV License Second Home

mobileron

uk1 said:

mobileron said:

So who is going to catch you if you watch it,theres no such things as a detector van,you dont let anyone in,so wheres there proof.
Typre tv licence into youtube.

Hi,

Can’t they check iplayer users from their ip address which will give  map coordinates?

I wonder whether iplayer detects and records what device was used?  I can legitimately view iplayer and live tv from my laptop, but can iplayer differentiate I wonder.

uk1 said:

mobileron said:

So who is going to catch you if you watch it,theres no such things as a detector van,you dont let anyone in,so wheres there proof.
Typre tv licence into youtube.

Hi,

Can’t they check iplayer users from their ip address which will give  map coordinates?

I wonder whether iplayer detects and records what device was used?  I can legitimately view iplayer and live tv from my laptop, but can iplayer differentiate I wonder.

The ip address could show as using prime video/Netflix.

silverwhistle

As someone over 60 who has never owned (rented/had possession etc.) a colour TV I can confirm that at least during Covid they've stopped the monthly firelighter letters (and I presume visits). The true test of when the public health crisis is over will be when they resume! :-)

Many years ago I sent them a somewhat tongue in cheek invoice for all the time I spent answering their letters, but with age has come more efficient use of my time..

wild666

You could keep changing the licence back and forth between the two addresses! TVL will not like it but as you would only be watching at one address there is nothing they can do.

uk1

wild666 said:

You could keep changing the licence back and forth between the two addresses! TVL will not like it but as you would only be watching at one address there is nothing they can do.

Thanks.
I’ve searched but I cannot find any limitations.  Can I change it backwards and forwards online as often as  I want?

Cornucopia

TV Licensing say that you can't do this.   

https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/for-your-home/second-home-aud8

uk1

Thanks.
Having looked at the law it seems that this restriction isn’t a precisely stated law but a delegated preserved right of the BBC to decide as it wishes.  Presumably is implied at least that they must exercise delegated powers “fairly”.

I wonder whether the provisions in the later laws with respect to unfair consumer contract clauses renders their insistence that  one person must have two licences in my situation as “unfair”.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/part/4

Cornucopia

uk1 said:

Thanks.
Having looked at the law it seems that this restriction isn’t the law but a preserved right of the BBC to decide as it wishes.

I wonder whether the provisions in the later laws with respect to unfair consumer contract clauses renders their insistence that  one person must have two licences in my situation as “unfair”.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/part/4

The legislation directly provides for the BBC to determine the Ts & Cs of Licences as they see fit.  So I think this would be covered by that.   However, as you say, it isn't law as such.   I doubt they would prosecute anyone who had "forgotten" to move their Licence from one address to another.   

Since this is a tax/licensing requirement, I doubt whether unfair contract legislation would apply.

I've been in a similar situation in the past, and I found various ways around it as we've discussed in this thread.    

uk1

What has changed since 2003 is the move towards greater consumer fairness particularly where there is an imbalance of power between consumer and provider.  The BBC  has been given uniquely strong powers.

But as you imply life is too short ....  

Cornucopia

IANAL, but I'm reasonably sure that the various provisions of fraud, unfair contracts, consumer protection do not apply to the BBC any more than they would apply to HMRC or DVLA.  

The question of powers is a complicated one because many of the "powers" that the BBC talk about aren't based on legislation but are more like whims derived from a vague notion of a duty to enforce the law, a duty that itself isn't explicitly based on legislation.   In regards to most of the routine enforcement activities, they can therefore safely and legally be ignored. 
  
It remains an open question whether the BBC should communicate dishonestly with the Public regarding those activities such that the Public might be misled as to their rights (and  presumably that is intentional).

There are also considerations where HRA and PACE (both important pieces of legislation) oversee and provide regulatory context to some of the enforcement activities of the BBC.

uk1

C,

Just a note to thank you both for your contributions to this thread and to your wider contributions.  I’ve been reading through other historic threads and you are clearly both highly knowledgeable but also patient and really balanced when dealing with those areas that are grey rather than binary. 

So thanks ........