Am I wasting my time claiming compensation for buying diesel?

couriervanman

cattom said:

HI. I bought a diesel peugeot about 5 yrs ago. it was a year old at the time. I'm wondering if I should claim compensation for being sold a diesel. the thing is, its environmentally friendly. so much so that I pay zero road fund license. so I dont think I have a case really. or do I?.

NO........Move on 

[Deleted User]

Mickey666 said:

boobyd said:

Why is it they want to claim compo for emissions when the most likely reason they got a diesel was ,MPG and low ved and the reason for  low ved was not emissions but a perceived £ saving on petrol ved?

I thought the low VED on diesels was because at the time the focus was all about CO2 emissions and diesels emit far less CO2 than petrol engines, so petrol cars were the bad boys.  Then the focus changed to NOx emissions and diesels became the bad boys again (and recently joined by domestic stoves burning carp fuels that add to particulate pollution).

As the focus moves increasingly onto EVs, we can expect all forms of ICE to be increasingly demonised, probably with higher VEDs across the board as well.  Later, when the true environmental impact of battery production and disposal comes to light we can expect EVs to become the bad boys.  Our grandchildren will be fortunate if they're allowed bicycles by the end of the century

It's a bit of a mixed bag. NOx is 200-300x more potent at trapping heat than CO2 plus it depletes the ozone layer, however there is far less of it, so it's arguable which is worse. NOx emissions in the UK certainly are much reduced because of catalytic converters and emissions regulations (emissions of NOx are down 51% 2005-2019). The main problem with NOx for climate change purposes is agriculture though not cars. In the US (admittedly not the best example as they mostly use petrol) agricultural soil management is the biggest contributor at 74% of emissions, transport is just 5%

Side point through really as nobody in the UK buys a diesel on the basis of the NOx emissions, therefore no-one has lost any money so no compensation is due. The cheat tests were designed for example for the US market where they do test for that and tax accordingly where vehicles may become unsellable or face higher taxes, hence compensation was due.

Incidentally, the battery production/environmental impact of EV is already well known and it's still far better than making ICE cars. Battery tech can change and improve, batteries can be disposed of in storage plants like Tesla build. Moreover, the batteries themselves still work fine - a car that does say 400 miles on one charge when new and loses even 25% of battery capacity over 10 years, still does 300 miles so is hardly useless. The real world testing of Teslas show that battery life is nothing like as bad, even the oldest/most heavily used Teslas are not even dropping 10%

AdrianC

Deleted_User said:

Mickey666 said:

boobyd said:

Why is it they want to claim compo for emissions when the most likely reason they got a diesel was ,MPG and low ved and the reason for  low ved was not emissions but a perceived £ saving on petrol ved?

I thought the low VED on diesels was because at the time the focus was all about CO2 emissions and diesels emit far less CO2 than petrol engines, so petrol cars were the bad boys.  Then the focus changed to NOx emissions and diesels became the bad boys again (and recently joined by domestic stoves burning carp fuels that add to particulate pollution).

As the focus moves increasingly onto EVs, we can expect all forms of ICE to be increasingly demonised, probably with higher VEDs across the board as well.  Later, when the true environmental impact of battery production and disposal comes to light we can expect EVs to become the bad boys.  Our grandchildren will be fortunate if they're allowed bicycles by the end of the century

It's a bit of a mixed bag. NOx is 200-300x more potent at trapping heat than CO2 plus it depletes the ozone layer, however there is far less of it, so it's arguable which is worse. NOx emissions in the UK certainly are much reduced because of catalytic converters and emissions regulations (emissions of NOx are down 51% 2005-2019). The main problem with NOx for climate change purposes is agriculture though not cars. In the US (admittedly not the best example as they mostly use petrol) agricultural soil management is the biggest contributor at 74% of emissions, transport is just 5%

Side point through really as nobody in the UK buys a diesel on the basis of the NOx emissions, therefore no-one has lost any money so no compensation is due. The cheat tests were designed for example for the US market where they do test for that and tax accordingly where vehicles may become unsellable or face higher taxes, hence compensation was due.

Incidentally, the battery production/environmental impact of EV is already well known and it's still far better than making ICE cars. Battery tech can change and improve, batteries can be disposed of in storage plants like Tesla build. Moreover, the batteries themselves still work fine - a car that does say 400 miles on one charge when new and loses even 25% of battery capacity over 10 years, still does 300 miles so is hardly useless. The real world testing of Teslas show that battery life is nothing like as bad, even the oldest/most heavily used Teslas are not even dropping 10%

The NOx issues are not climate-change related, they're localised-air-quality related.

The changes to diesels to reduce CO2 ironically increased NOx levels, because of the changes in combustion, which is why it suddenly became a problem through the 00s.

cattom

thanks for all the replies. the point of my original post was to find out if I had been mis sold a product. ie a peugeot diesel. and maybe as someone said in this thread, get some free cash. the emmisions on my car are euro6.1. which is within the latest emmisions bracket. I have now put in a claim with a 'no win no fee' company. and I will keep you updated on that,via this forum.

couriervanman

cattom said:

thanks for all the replies. the point of my original post was to find out if I had been mis sold a product. ie a peugeot diesel. and maybe as someone said in this thread, get some free cash. the emmisions on my car are euro6.1. which is within the latest emmisions bracket. I have now put in a claim with a 'no win no fee' company. and I will keep you updated on that,via this forum.

Don't hold your breath.......plus I'm still confused why you think you have a claim, as already stated move on your wasting your time

neilmcl

cattom said:

thanks for all the replies. the point of my original post was to find out if I had been mis sold a product. ie a peugeot diesel. and maybe as someone said in this thread, get some free cash. the emmisions on my car are euro6.1. which is within the latest emmisions bracket. I have now put in a claim with a 'no win no fee' company. and I will keep you updated on that,via this forum.

You've still failed to tell us on why you think you were miss-sold your car?

Money_Grabber13579

Mickey666 said:

boobyd said:

Why is it they want to claim compo for emissions when the most likely reason they got a diesel was ,MPG and low ved and the reason for  low ved was not emissions but a perceived £ saving on petrol ved?

I thought the low VED on diesels was because at the time the focus was all about CO2 emissions and diesels emit far less CO2 than petrol engines, so petrol cars were the bad boys.  Then the focus changed to NOx emissions and diesels became the bad boys again (and recently joined by domestic stoves burning carp fuels that add to particulate pollution).

As the focus moves increasingly onto EVs, we can expect all forms of ICE to be increasingly demonised, probably with higher VEDs across the board as well.  Later, when the true environmental impact of battery production and disposal comes to light we can expect EVs to become the bad boys.  Our grandchildren will be fortunate if they're allowed bicycles by the end of the century

I’m not even sure bicycles will be allowed. They would only increase emissions from humans so I think we should all just stay in bed 24/7.

boobyd

cattom said:

thanks for all the replies. the point of my original post was to find out if I had been mis sold a product. ie a peugeot diesel. and maybe as someone said in this thread, get some free cash. the emmisions on my car are euro6.1. which is within the latest emmisions bracket. I have now put in a claim with a 'no win no fee' company. and I will keep you updated on that,via this forum.

So when you bought the vehicle your 100% reason for doing so was based on emissions?
You didn't buy it because it was "Price bracket/mpg/look / ved amount ( how many £,eg cheap)
I'm being honest when I say i have bought my diesels it was mpg,running costs ( ved/tyres/service),not because it was a perceived low emission.If it had been a Company car ,other purchase PCP etc it would still be on £ not emissions.

mobileron

Tell us how much you lost.

cattom

boobyd said:

cattom said:

thanks for all the replies. the point of my original post was to find out if I had been mis sold a product. ie a peugeot diesel. and maybe as someone said in this thread, get some free cash. the emmisions on my car are euro6.1. which is within the latest emmisions bracket. I have now put in a claim with a 'no win no fee' company. and I will keep you updated on that,via this forum.

So when you bought the vehicle your 100% reason for doing so was based on emissions?
You didn't buy it because it was "Price bracket/mpg/look / ved amount ( how many £,eg cheap)
I'm being honest when I say i have bought my diesels it was mpg,running costs ( ved/tyres/service),not because it was a perceived low emission.If it had been a Company car ,other purchase PCP etc it would still be on £ not emissions.

I bought it because it was/is a good car which suited my needs. low emissions, zero road tax,(that may be about to change, if they move the goalposts yet again), high spec,full leather and economical. 
but now with all this diesel emission scandal, I'm wondering if I jump on the band wagon, along with many others, I'm sure.