Seiss grant 4

ScoobyJas

Been refused grant 4 as hmrc didn't receive my paper return until after 2nd march, i did receive the other 3 with no problems. I was declared bankrupt in september 2019 and therefore my utr changed and i had to file my first return after discharge with a paper one. I did not receive this until mid Febuary 2021, i should have received it long before 31st January. I sent it off asap but because they did not receive it until after 2nd March, It is cut and dry I will not receive seiss grant 4. On the paper return i got it said to be sent by mid April and the late penalty charge was waived as well.
Can anyone advise me on what to do as through no fault of my own i am unable to get it

poppy12345

The Government have set the final date for tax returns as 2nd March and this can't be changed and is out of HMRC's hands.

ScoobyJas

so even though hmrc sent it to me late with no way of getting it back to them on time, it is still my fault for returning it late?

ScoobyJas

so there are no mitigating circumstances allowed at all?

MattMattMattUK

ScoobyJas said:

so even though hmrc sent it to me late with no way of getting it back to them on time, it is still my fault for returning it late?

They sent it to you late yes, they agreed to waive their part of the process as they had stopped the in time filing (no late payment penalties). You said you received it in mid February, even a paper tax return only takes an hour at most to complete so it could have got sent back than you did. When did you request a paper tax return?

ScoobyJas said:

so there are no mitigating circumstances allowed at all?

There are no mitigating factors allowed for SEISS. There have been exceptional cases approved on appeal, however those have been where the error is entirely the fault of HMRC (eg a submission reference given but the return was not processed for some technical reason). 

You can always appeal and short of the five minutes it will take to write the appeal you have nothing to lose.

ScoobyJas

i did not reqMattMattMattUK said:

ScoobyJas said:

so even though hmrc sent it to me late with no way of getting it back to them on time, it is still my fault for returning it late?

They sent it to you late yes, they agreed to waive their part of the process as they had stopped the in time filing (no late payment penalties). You said you received it in mid February, even a paper tax return only takes an hour at most to complete so it could have got sent back than you did. When did you request a paper tax return?

ScoobyJas said:

so there are no mitigating circumstances allowed at all?

There are no mitigating factors allowed for SEISS. There have been exceptional cases approved on appeal, however those have been where the error is entirely the fault of HMRC (eg a submission reference given but the return was not processed for some technical reason). 

You can always appeal and short of the five minutes it will take to write the appeal you have nothing to lose.

i did not request a paper return. I was declared bankrupt in 2019/20. this was the first return that i had to fill in. I had no choice to get the paper as i couldnt register it online

MattMattMattUK

ScoobyJas said:

i did not reqMattMattMattUK said:

ScoobyJas said:

so even though hmrc sent it to me late with no way of getting it back to them on time, it is still my fault for returning it late?

They sent it to you late yes, they agreed to waive their part of the process as they had stopped the in time filing (no late payment penalties). You said you received it in mid February, even a paper tax return only takes an hour at most to complete so it could have got sent back than you did. When did you request a paper tax return?

ScoobyJas said:

so there are no mitigating circumstances allowed at all?

There are no mitigating factors allowed for SEISS. There have been exceptional cases approved on appeal, however those have been where the error is entirely the fault of HMRC (eg a submission reference given but the return was not processed for some technical reason). 

You can always appeal and short of the five minutes it will take to write the appeal you have nothing to lose.

i did not request a paper return. I was declared bankrupt in 2019/20. this was the first return that i had to fill in. I had no choice to get the paper as i couldnt register it online

Have you previously submitted tax returns (eg in 18/19, or earlier years)?
Were you employed in 19/20 in an entirely SA basis, on PAYE?
What is your employment status since, SA, PAYE, a mixture of both?

As your bankruptcy was in 19/20 did this tax year conclude whilst you were still in bankruptcy, or had you been discharged before the end of the tax year?

Your old UTR should have been used for the 19/20 tax year as that was the year you were declared bankrupt in, you would then use your new UTR going forward. 

At what point did you inform HMRC that you were bankrupt, when were you issued with a new UTR?

ScoobyJas

Yes i have been self employed since 2009 to present
Yes no paye since before 2009
Still self employed SA
My bankruptcy was from Sept 19- Sept 20. Was discharged Sept 20
Sept 19 Hmrc were informed
Late 20 i received new utr

ScoobyJas

I applied for the third grant November 20 using my old UTR

ScoobyJas

As i tried the new UTR and it wasn't recognised

Jeremy535897

I don't think there is anything you can do. I assume you just sent the return in via ordinary post?