Is it any wonder people lease/PCP?

AdrianC

I wonder why Fred doesn't include those who build the cars in the first place in his opprobrium?

Perhaps if he drove a self-built car, we might take him slightly more seriously.

dipsomaniac

always an education this forum. learnt a new word today

Herzlos

fred246 said:

Someone with a new car on PCP/ lease etc will be bothered about the cosmetic appearance. I am not too bothered about that. Cars get scratches and dings. That's life. I wouldn't want a car driven round with too much or too little oil or no coolant. I would want to know that the oil had actually been changed at the service and for the correct oil to have been used. You can't guarantee these on a used car. For someone on a PCP these are all none of their responsibility. Any problems are someone else's fault and the warranty will fix.,

Most cars these days give warnings about low levels, and you can be absolutely sure that running with no oil will void the warranty and cause a lot of expensive problems. People tend to look after expensive stuff more, and people tend to look after other peoples stuff more.

How many threads do you see on here about people asking if it's worth servicing older cars?

dipsomaniac said:

why do you keep trying to paint this picture between people being paid to fix someone elses car and those fixing their own car?  'have-a-go mechanics' v 'actual experts'.   How do you know experts are working on your car?  it could be a 17yr old on work experience.  i have had plenty of experience of your 'actual experts' not replacing bolts, on one occasion not replacing a oil cap and breaking/not replacing bleed nipples.  i know just about every nut and bolt on my car, am not under any time restraints and definately don't look as myself as a 'have a go mechanic'.  this is not a them and us situation, some of us choose or can't afford to suffer depreciation or pay someone £100+ per hour to fix their cars

Professional reputation, for one. My local garage may be having a 17 year old work experience kid doing the work (they need to learn) but a good manager will be paying attention to it. Terrible garages tend to get a bad rep pretty quickly. I trust the guys who work at mine (who've been maintaining my fleet for 30 years) to do the work more than I trust myself.

People only really complain online about bad service; so whilst we're bombarded with horror stories, but there are 33 million cars on the roads in the UK.

There are crap garages and master DIY'ers, but I suspect both are rare (and Fred has been asking some odd questions that makes me wonder).
I'm on some bike repair forums and some of the DIY efforts are horrifying.

(I may also be hyperbolizing a bit to compensate for Fred).

motorguy

fred246 said:

Someone with a new car on PCP/ lease etc will be bothered about the cosmetic appearance. I am not too bothered about that. Cars get scratches and dings. That's life. I wouldn't want a car driven round with too much or too little oil or no coolant. I would want to know that the oil had actually been changed at the service and for the correct oil to have been used. You can't guarantee these on a used car. For someone on a PCP these are all none of their responsibility. Any problems are someone else's fault and the warranty will fix.,

New cars under warranty and likely financed with PCP / Leasing are under strict guidance as to servicing and maintenance requirements.

I cant think of any recent new car that would be PCP'd or financed that doesnt actually tell you via dashboard displays if something is amiss or if the car is due a service.  It is in the manufacturer and franchised dealers interest to ensure you are told that.

There would be significant financial consequences for people not doing that at the end of PCP / lease or even just in terms of car value if bought outright.

And yes, there is the old wives tale about cars not being serviced by a dealer and them just wiping the filter clean, however back here in the real, modern world franchised dealers are quality assured and quality checked constantly by the manufacturer.  No franchise is going to risk losing a multi million pound franchise to save a few pounds on an oil filter or oil (particularly when they are paid handsomely for the work anyway).

But then, you know all this fred.  This "alter ego" username that you use is just here to stir the pot and derail threads.

The sad thing is, your "advice" could cost people £££s and is often misleading.

Ganga

motorguy said:

fred246 said:

Someone with a new car on PCP/ lease etc will be bothered about the cosmetic appearance. I am not too bothered about that. Cars get scratches and dings. That's life. I wouldn't want a car driven round with too much or too little oil or no coolant. I would want to know that the oil had actually been changed at the service and for the correct oil to have been used. You can't guarantee these on a used car. For someone on a PCP these are all none of their responsibility. Any problems are someone else's fault and the warranty will fix.,

New cars under warranty and likely financed with PCP / Leasing are under strict guidance as to servicing and maintenance requirements.

I cant think of any recent new car that would be PCP'd or financed that doesnt actually tell you via dashboard displays if something is amiss or if the car is due a service.  It is in the manufacturer and franchised dealers interest to ensure you are told that.

There would be significant financial consequences for people not doing that at the end of PCP / lease or even just in terms of car value if bought outright.

And yes, there is the old wives tale about cars not being serviced by a dealer and them just wiping the filter clean, however back here in the real, modern world franchised dealers are quality assured and quality checked constantly by the manufacturer.  No franchise is going to risk losing a multi million pound franchise to save a few pounds on an oil filter or oil (particularly when they are paid handsomely for the work anyway).

But then, you know all this fred.  This "alter ego" username that you use is just here to stir the pot and derail threads.

The sad thing is, your "advice" could cost people £££s and is often misleading.

The other thing is IF you have put your car into the dealership for it,s service and they try to cut corners ,when they stamp the book and for some reason it backfires on them it will be them that picks up the bills not the owner /pcp person who has done it by the book.

motorguy

Ganga said:

motorguy said:

fred246 said:

Someone with a new car on PCP/ lease etc will be bothered about the cosmetic appearance. I am not too bothered about that. Cars get scratches and dings. That's life. I wouldn't want a car driven round with too much or too little oil or no coolant. I would want to know that the oil had actually been changed at the service and for the correct oil to have been used. You can't guarantee these on a used car. For someone on a PCP these are all none of their responsibility. Any problems are someone else's fault and the warranty will fix.,

New cars under warranty and likely financed with PCP / Leasing are under strict guidance as to servicing and maintenance requirements.

I cant think of any recent new car that would be PCP'd or financed that doesnt actually tell you via dashboard displays if something is amiss or if the car is due a service.  It is in the manufacturer and franchised dealers interest to ensure you are told that.

There would be significant financial consequences for people not doing that at the end of PCP / lease or even just in terms of car value if bought outright.

And yes, there is the old wives tale about cars not being serviced by a dealer and them just wiping the filter clean, however back here in the real, modern world franchised dealers are quality assured and quality checked constantly by the manufacturer.  No franchise is going to risk losing a multi million pound franchise to save a few pounds on an oil filter or oil (particularly when they are paid handsomely for the work anyway).

But then, you know all this fred.  This "alter ego" username that you use is just here to stir the pot and derail threads.

The sad thing is, your "advice" could cost people £££s and is often misleading.

The other thing is IF you have put your car into the dealership for it,s service and they try to cut corners ,when they stamp the book and for some reason it backfires on them it will be them that picks up the bills not the owner /pcp person who has done it by the book.

I honestly cant see why they would.  A franchise could be worth millions per year in revenue to a company.  Why would they risk that to save the price of an oil filter or a few litres of oil?

Granted, sometimes mistakes happen, then as you say a garage would be obliged to stand over that.

fred246

The majority of car warranties are 3 years. Even if nothing is done at a service the majority will be fine especially the low mileage ones. So there won't be any repercussions while the dealer is responsible. It's the owners who buy them afterwards who would suffer.

Flight3287462

Fred when you buy anew car and never have it serviced by the dealer but do it yourself, you do know the warranty will be void?

Herzlos

fred246 said:

The majority of car warranties are 3 years. Even if nothing is done at a service the majority will be fine especially the low mileage ones. So there won't be any repercussions while the dealer is responsible. It's the owners who buy them afterwards who would suffer.

Lots come with 5 or 7 years warranty, so the dealers will still be on the hook. The same will apply for out of warranty stuff if the dealer was caught not doing the work. As mentioned, the franchise is worth millions so why would they risk cheaping out with a few quids worth of oil?

anonymous112433

Leasing or buying on finance is just throwing money away on interest. Honestly why is the general public so eager to throw their money away?