Fibre to pole in village

matelodave

Nightingale4321 said:

Thank you all for your help.  Yes, I think it's FTTC.  It is just strange that 39 out of 40 houses are connected and mine was not.  It was during the time of the previous owner and he strangely must have said no as I understand everyone was offered the option.  However, I would have thought there would have been some provision to connect up at some point, bearing in mind houses do change hands.  Other houses, a similar distance from the main street as us have been connected.  Yes, BT said it would be expensive to connect....what does that mean.......hundreds....thousands???

It's really hard to understand what you are trying to tell us. What is actually available to your neighbours, and how was it provisioned. Possibly if there was a load of civil works involved and your previous owner decided to opt out, then there could be a significant cost to come a dig it all just to connect your house. Asking on here without giving lots of info on what is there and how it got there is not going to get you very far.

1 - if it's fibre to the premises, then only those who wanted it would have opted to go for it (and pay the premium for the privilege). Does you phone line come in from overhead or underground. What services do your neighbours actually have. 

If its connected via a pole is it equipped with an optical terminating box and all it's outlets are in use, then yes it could be more difficult to get your place connected because extra equipment has to be provisioned.

The pole outside my house has an eight port unit (two rows of four) and seven are in use and they got snapped up within about three weeks of it going live.
The next nearest pole is too far away for an overhead connection so I don't know what would happen if two of my neighbours within reach of the pole suddenly decide they wanted to upgrade to FTTP - first come first served I suspect. 

2 - if you already have a copper phone connection (BT phone point indoors) then it's quite possible that all the ports in the nearest cabinet FTTC cabinet are already in use and you are stuck with an existing ADSL connection and it's not possible to connect you unless someone gives theirs up (it called churn)

I know plenty of people who don't really care either about having broadband or are quite happy with low speeds even if they do and wont pay extra for summat they don't (or didn't) need or want.

People don't always just go for the fastest, just because they can, neither do BT or anyone else significantly over equip their infrastructure to cater for 100% or more of the population, they make a judgement of what the take-up might be and add a bit for contingency.

Unfortunately in the present climate, a lot of people have suddenly found a need or want for a service that has now oversubscribed  capacity in some areas. In which case it may take a considerable time to get it upgraded and may not be economically viable just for one or two premises, especially in the short term

brewerdave

matelodave said:

I know plenty of people who don't really care either about having broadband or are quite happy with low speeds even if they do and wont pay extra for summat they don't (or didn't) need or want.

People don't always just go for the fastest, just because they can, neither do BT or anyone else significantly over equip  and add a bit for contingency.

Unfortunately in the present climate, a lot of people have suddenly found a need or want for a service that has now oversubscribed  capacity in some areas. In which case it may take a considerable time to get it upgraded and may not be economically viable just for one or two premises, especially in the short term

Very true; had a conversation with a neighbour who is very excited by her (soon to be installed) FTTP connection @ 900Mb !! Having it because of demands of her kids.
 Seemed to be bewildered when I suggested that 900Mb was overkill - for what she needs 80Mb would be more than enuf. Currently she has FTTC @ 80Mb but all her problems are due to the number of wireless connections her teenage kids have got set up - I'm afraid she is going to spend ~ £60pm and STILL have the same problems post router !!

matelodave

I spent several months trying to persuade the residents of our hamlet that if we all got together to lobby the Connecting Cambridgeshire organisation that we could expedite the installation of FTTP under the rural development project. There was no cost and I even went round with a petition so they didn't even have to lift a finger or contribute in any other way than yo give their, name, address and e-mail.

Many of them were quite happy with the less than 2mbits that we were getting, about 20% didn't have broadband and couldn't care less, some were really enthusiastic but more than a few didn't want to divulge their e-mail addresses and wouldn't participate as they thought (erroneously) that it would commit them. So it was an uphill battle

We got it eventually but it was hard work trying to explain the benefit to those who just didn't see the point of a faster speed or were quite happy not even having a phone line as they used their mobiles (although the service out here was pretty dire at the time - its a bit better now but not ever so good).  Several people, who ran their own businesses had already given up and were using either satellite or long range wifi just to get usable speeds.

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brewerdave said:

matelodave said:

I know plenty of people who don't really care either about having broadband or are quite happy with low speeds even if they do and wont pay extra for summat they don't (or didn't) need or want.

People don't always just go for the fastest, just because they can, neither do BT or anyone else significantly over equip  and add a bit for contingency.

Unfortunately in the present climate, a lot of people have suddenly found a need or want for a service that has now oversubscribed  capacity in some areas. In which case it may take a considerable time to get it upgraded and may not be economically viable just for one or two premises, especially in the short term

Very true; had a conversation with a neighbour who is very excited by her (soon to be installed) FTTP connection @ 900Mb !! Having it because of demands of her kids.
 Seemed to be bewildered when I suggested that 900Mb was overkill - for what she needs 80Mb would be more than enuf. Currently she has FTTC @ 80Mb but all her problems are due to the number of wireless connections her teenage kids have got set up - I'm afraid she is going to spend ~ £60pm and STILL have the same problems post router !!

900mbps is not overkill nowadays and the number of wireless connections isn't an issue for a good quality router, I have about 30 wireless device and another 10 ethernet on my connection and everybody gets a great connection.

For example - two Xbox's in my house, one could be downloading an 80 Gig game (eg Forza) - that would take over 2 hours on an 80mbps connection, 4 hours when 2x 4k TV's are half the connection using 20mbps each on streaming. Meanwhile everything else is getting laggy and conference calls will be affected etc over that 4 hours period.

900mbps will reduce that download time to just 15 mins and everyone else gets a lag free experience.

Well worth it in my book, I only have 380mbps but everything is so snappy fast and I'm looking to upgrade in the future to double that speed at least.

1 Gig should be a standard connection nowadays like it is in many countries.

brewerdave

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brewerdave said:

matelodave said:

I know plenty of people who don't really care either about having broadband or are quite happy with low speeds even if they do and wont pay extra for summat they don't (or didn't) need or want.

People don't always just go for the fastest, just because they can, neither do BT or anyone else significantly over equip  and add a bit for contingency.

Unfortunately in the present climate, a lot of people have suddenly found a need or want for a service that has now oversubscribed  capacity in some areas. In which case it may take a considerable time to get it upgraded and may not be economically viable just for one or two premises, especially in the short term

Very true; had a conversation with a neighbour who is very excited by her (soon to be installed) FTTP connection @ 900Mb !! Having it because of demands of her kids.
 Seemed to be bewildered when I suggested that 900Mb was overkill - for what she needs 80Mb would be more than enuf. Currently she has FTTC @ 80Mb but all her problems are due to the number of wireless connections her teenage kids have got set up - I'm afraid she is going to spend ~ £60pm and STILL have the same problems post router !!

900mbps is not overkill nowadays and the number of wireless connections isn't an issue for a good quality router, I have about 30 wireless device and another 10 ethernet on my connection and everybody gets a great connection.

For example - two Xbox's in my house, one could be downloading an 80 Gig game (eg Forza) - that would take over 2 hours on an 80mbps connection, 4 hours when 2x 4k TV's are half the connection using 20mbps each on streaming. Meanwhile everything else is getting laggy and conference calls will be affected etc over that 4 hours period.

900mbps will reduce that download time to just 15 mins and everyone else gets a lag free experience.

Well worth it in my book, I only have 380mbps but everything is so snappy fast and I'm looking to upgrade in the future to double that speed at least.

1 Gig should be a standard connection nowadays like it is in many countries.

So you are running a hotel  

extrareach

Can I hop on here or shall I start a new thread?
There is fibre to the pole outside my gate 10M from my wall where the copper line comes in. Everyone else gets FTTP i can only have FTTC (which is SLOWWWW) the openreach man said its probably a mapping error? how do i correct this or ask them to come and quote to connect?
Thanks folks

JJ_Egan

FTTP to the pole is usually then via overhead copper wire to the house .

Who is your current ISP as few are supplying over FTTP yet .

cajef

JJ_Egan said:

FTTP to the pole is usually then via overhead copper wire to the house .

Who is your current ISP as few are supplying over FTTP yet .

Incorrect fibreoptic cable goes to a splitter on the pole and then to an ONT (optical network terminal) inside the property, there is no copper wire used. 

JJ_Egan

Yes sorry meant to say optical cable and copper wire ( in my case )usually to the home from pole .

Mister_G

cajef said:

JJ_Egan said:

FTTP to the pole is usually then via overhead copper wire to the house .

Who is your current ISP as few are supplying over FTTP yet .

Incorrect fibreoptic cable goes to a splitter on the pole and then to an ONT (optical network terminal) inside the property, there is no copper wire used. 

I believe it depends if BT (as the ISP) are offering FVA (fibre voice access) on the fibre.  If not, then OR will run a siamese fibre/copper cable or even a fibre only and retain the existing copper connection for voice.