Ebay - buying from Europe now..

Spoonie_Turtle

martindow said:

soolin said:

I’ve found this as well 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/listings/default/vat-obligations-eu?id=4650#section1

Thanks.  That also half answers my question about selling into the EU.  Ebay will operate a similar VAT collecting service, but according to the document only from July 2021with no mention of th first six months of the year ...

That's because the EU themselves are making their general international changes from July 2021. The fact that the UK-EU deal was last minute is nothing to do with it.

RFW

Spoonie_Turtle said:

martindow said:

soolin said:

I’ve found this as well 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/listings/default/vat-obligations-eu?id=4650#section1

Thanks.  That also half answers my question about selling into the EU.  Ebay will operate a similar VAT collecting service, but according to the document only from July 2021with no mention of th first six months of the year ...

That's because the EU themselves are making their general international changes from July 2021. The fact that the UK-EU deal was last minute is nothing to do with it.

My guess would be that HMRC will let the status quo continue for a few months. The less fuss made by people now then the better it will be. They should really have announced an amnesty for a few months to simplify it and let a new system settle in but that would be sensible.

martindow

Spoonie_Turtle said:

That's because the EU themselves are making their general international changes from July 2021. The fact that the UK-EU deal was last minute is nothing to do with it.

So up to July will parcels to an EU country incur local VAT and a clearance charge?  I can't imagine that the 27 will let shipments in without charging.

Spoonie_Turtle

martindow said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

That's because the EU themselves are making their general international changes from July 2021. The fact that the UK-EU deal was last minute is nothing to do with it.

So up to July will parcels to an EU country incur local VAT and a clearance charge?  I can't imagine that the 27 will let shipments in without charging.

If it's under a value of €22 then no. Above €22, I'm not sure - I haven't yet managed to find out what the UK-EU deal actually means. If through an online marketplace they would have the ability to deal with any import VAT so the buyer doesn't get hit with handling charges but whether they will implement that before July if relevant I also don't know.

soolin

Spoonie_Turtle said:

martindow said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

That's because the EU themselves are making their general international changes from July 2021. The fact that the UK-EU deal was last minute is nothing to do with it.

So up to July will parcels to an EU country incur local VAT and a clearance charge?  I can't imagine that the 27 will let shipments in without charging.

If it's under a value of €22 then no. Above €22, I'm not sure - I haven't yet managed to find out what the UK-EU deal actually means. If through an online marketplace they would have the ability to deal with any import VAT so the buyer doesn't get hit with handling charges but whether they will implement that before July if relevant I also don't know.

As per my previous post, both Aliexpress and eBay are now charging an additional 20% on items coming from China , I can’t think of anything to search for that is likely to come from an EU country to see if the same applies. 

martindow

soolin said:

As per my previous post, both Aliexpress and eBay are now charging an additional 20% on items coming from China , I can’t think of anything to search for that is likely to come from an EU country to see if the same applies. 

This is from a German listing - at the bottom it mentions VAT at 20% which presumably is UK VAT as the German rate is 19%

Postage and packaging

Item location: Flörsheim am Main, Germany

Postage and packaging	To	Service	Delivery*
EUR 20.40	United Kingdom	Standard Delivery (DHL Paket International)	Estimated between Mon. 11 Jan. and Thu. 28 Jan. Seller sends within 3 days after receiving cleared payment- opens in a new window or tab.

........

Taxes
VAT: 20% (included in the listed price). The actual VAT requirements and rates may vary depending on the final sale. Learn more

Spoonie_Turtle

soolin said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

martindow said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

That's because the EU themselves are making their general international changes from July 2021. The fact that the UK-EU deal was last minute is nothing to do with it.

So up to July will parcels to an EU country incur local VAT and a clearance charge?  I can't imagine that the 27 will let shipments in without charging.

If it's under a value of €22 then no. Above €22, I'm not sure - I haven't yet managed to find out what the UK-EU deal actually means. If through an online marketplace they would have the ability to deal with any import VAT so the buyer doesn't get hit with handling charges but whether they will implement that before July if relevant I also don't know.

As per my previous post, both Aliexpress and eBay are now charging an additional 20% on items coming from China , I can’t think of anything to search for that is likely to come from an EU country to see if the same applies. 

The previous poster was asking about items going from the UK into the EU I guess going to a European eBay site and searching for things from the UK might show it, maybe? Or Etsy, perhaps (I don't know if they will be complying - their stance has always been that they don't get involved with actual transactions - unless there was a dispute, I assume - but they may have no choice now).

martindow

Spoonie_Turtle said:The previous poster was asking about items going from the UK into the EU I guess going to a European eBay site and searching for things from the UK might show it, maybe? Or Etsy, perhaps (I don't know if they will be complying - their stance has always been that they don't get involved with actual transactions - unless there was a dispute, I assume - but they may have no choice now).

I asked about UK to EU but then also commented on EU to UK so I am to blame for any confusion here!   Mind you confusion is the name of the game at the moment and no doubt things will become clear in time.

soolin

martindow said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:The previous poster was asking about items going from the UK into the EU I guess going to a European eBay site and searching for things from the UK might show it, maybe? Or Etsy, perhaps (I don't know if they will be complying - their stance has always been that they don't get involved with actual transactions - unless there was a dispute, I assume - but they may have no choice now).

I asked about UK to EU but then also commented on EU to UK so I am to blame for any confusion here!   Mind you confusion is the name of the game at the moment and no doubt things will become clear in time.

apologies, I am so confused now I can't even tell the difference! As I previously mentioned, I am going to leave well alone for a while and  tackle it all again later when I can make some sense of it.

Spoonie_Turtle

martindow said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:The previous poster was asking about items going from the UK into the EU I guess going to a European eBay site and searching for things from the UK might show it, maybe? Or Etsy, perhaps (I don't know if they will be complying - their stance has always been that they don't get involved with actual transactions - unless there was a dispute, I assume - but they may have no choice now).

I asked about UK to EU but then also commented on EU to UK so I am to blame for any confusion here!   Mind you confusion is the name of the game at the moment and no doubt things will become clear in time.

Oh so very true!