New Ryanair Advert - Bit Naughty

epm-84

bagand96 said:

CKhalvashi said:

bagand96 said:

CKhalvashi said:

I'd recommend booking with a proper airline that employs their staff on proper terms, unlike Ryanair's pay to fly schemes and fake 'redundancies', by switching their bases between group airlines to screw their crews.

It’s becoming harder and harder to do that! Ryanair of course write the book on screwing their employees, but plenty of others have followed and taken it further than even Ryanair. Also, I don’t believe Ryanair partake in Pay to Fly (whilst that term has a broad definition, Ryanair haven’t taken it as far as some of the charter airlines in Europe)

Just tell the crew at Vilnius (and several other bases) that, they were told the Ryanair base has closed with immediate effect in August.

The routes were quickly picked up by Buzz the following day (which is Ryanair Poland) with crew on substantially worse terms. Malta Air (Ryanair on a Maltese registration) has also been used at a number of bases to worsen the terms of crew. Obviously they're not happy to simply play one airport off against another now, it's one airline against another to get rid of any crew who completely correctly refuse to be screwed.

Naturally the €3bn they tried to withhold from their customers, in complete defiance of EU consumer protection legislation, to boost their own receivables balance means not only are they attempting to screw airports and crew, the general public come into this too. Not a good combination IMO and definitely not a proper or reputable company.

Butts said:

Far better booking BA than Ryanair if doing it for quite far ahead....
Much better protection if it all goes belly up, at least in respect of a refund or FTV.

Not BA, any airline with decent flexibility will happily do.

I agree, Ryanair wrote the book.  Most airlines have seized an opportunity with Covid. Similar stories in the purple airline from Hungary.  I think easyJet tried to at least keep it civil, although they took a lot of persuasion from the unions to do so. 

Ryanair tried and tested their approach following the volcanic ash cloud.  They had to deal with a case in the Italian courts for the breach of EU legislation following what they did or didn't do in response to that.

CKhalvashi

epm-84 said:

Tedber said:

Who is actually most to blame here though?  My opinion is that it is us the consumers.  No organization can thrive unless they “sell” the products.   People shouted for cheaper fares and as competition grew the prices reduced.  Plenty of complaints about conditions etc but people continued to book and as people have short memories, when it comes to saving a few buck, will return to booking with Ryanair et al.  Not many stand on laurels when it comes to it.   I am sure there are millions grateful to the likes of RA providing flights they might not have otherwise had funds for?  Not excusing them or disagreeing with any comments just saying...... 

I'm of the opinion if you see very low fares on a route then either fares that low won't exist in a few years time or the route will cease to exist in a few years time.  Towards the end of last year I noticed Ryanair had some very cheap fares to Riga, Kiev, Bologna and Zadar from Manchester - those are all routes they are now pulling or already have pulled.

Ryanair are also pulling the Manchester-Lisbon route.  That was a route they had a rival on - TAP Portugal, who also offered competitive fares.  Ryanair must have done alright on the route when TAP Portugal was in the process of being privatised and there was frequent strike action but now things have settled down at TAP Portugal, Ryanair are now pulling the Manchester-Lisbon route as well.

I think a lot of people are aware of instances like the above so if they see an option for £50 return with Ryanair they book it because it might be the cheapest option is £150+ with another airline next year.

Riga - AirBaltic have a seasonal route, and have the Eastbound connecting network. Ryanair don't
Kyiv - Wrong airport. Zhulyany is city centre, this is one of the cities where the 'main' airport doesn't work.
Zadar isn't a big market from the UK. Easyjet have had success on their Gatwick, but I believe it's only 2 or 3 times a week. Manchester likely won't be able to come close to that.

Barny1979

Probably been on over 50 Ryanair flights in the last 10 years, but wouldn't give them the steam off my !!!!!! now.

Thrugelmir

Barny1979 said:

Probably been on over 50 Ryanair flights in the last 10 years, but wouldn't give them the steam off my !!!!!! now.

Yet you still will when there's somewhere you wish to holiday. The cheap prices will be sufficient inducement for the short period of time that you actually use them. 

Barny1979

Thrugelmir said:

Barny1979 said:

Probably been on over 50 Ryanair flights in the last 10 years, but wouldn't give them the steam off my !!!!!! now.

Yet you still will when there's somewhere you wish to holiday. The cheap prices will be sufficient inducement for the short period of time that you actually use them. 

Nope, I definitely won't.