p4 parking fine

mrteabag69

Hi,
Got a p4 parking fine outside a residential block, was helping loading a mate who moved into a new place. Was only there for no longer than 10 mins. Was just going to leave it but not sure whether I should try and appeal it? Its not the government so they don't have the right to enforce it. The van isn't mine and works but is hired from enterprise.
Is it worth appealing ?

Thanks

KeithP

What's a 'p4 parking fine'?

Who is the parking company?

I think it's time for you to read the first post of the NEWBIES thread.

mrteabag69

KeithP said:

What's a 'p4 parking fine'?

Who is the parking company?

I think it's time for you to read the first post of the NEWBIES thread.

The company is p4 parking. Just had a look at their website looks like they wouldn't do anything about it if I ignored it. 

Umkomaas

Just had a look at their website looks like they wouldn't do anything about it if I ignored it. 

How does it imply that?  No one has recommended ignoring a PCN in England/Wales for around 8 years. P4Parking do have some operations in Scotland, are you based there?

The van isn't mine and works but is hired from enterprise.

I presume you only have a windscreen ticket at this stage? As it is a hire vehicle, you will need to hook the PPC away from Enterprise around day 25. The NEWBIES FAQ sticky, the opening post, is important reading for you, because once you have a better understanding of the basics, the advice we give thereafter will be much more meaningful.

Please answer the above questions. 

Redx

As above , more info required

They definitely have the right to enforce it in Court , but have to persuade a judge , so never assume you can or should ignore it

Read the bottom of the first post in the newbies FAQ sticky thread near the top of the forum , where hire and leased vehicles advice is given , plus 2 templates that can be adapted

The Jopson case seems very relevant in this case , I think that was about loading or unloading

mrteabag69

Umkomaas said:

Just had a look at their website looks like they wouldn't do anything about it if I ignored it. 

How does it imply that?  No one has recommended ignoring a PCN in England/Wales for around 8 years. P4Parking do have some operations in Scotland, are you based there?

No London

The van isn't mine and works but is hired from enterprise.

I presume you only have a windscreen ticket at this stage? As it is a hire vehicle, you will need to hook the PPC away from Enterprise around day 25. The NEWBIES FAQ sticky, the opening post, is important reading for you, because once you have a better understanding of the basics, the advice we give thereafter will be much more meaningful.

Please answer the above questions. 

And so don't appeal it, I'm confused

Redx

If you answer the questions by giving us more info we could clarify the matter , but it's like getting blood from a stone so far

You appeal as a hirer or lessee on day 25 to P4 parking if it's London and not Scotland

Coupon-mad

If you hire a vehicle NEVER ignore a windscreen PCN.  The NEWBIES thread tells you what to do, please read it again.

mrteabag69

Redx said:

If you answer the questions by giving us more info we could clarify the matter , but it's like getting blood from a stone so far

You appeal as a hirer or lessee on day 25 to P4 parking if it's London and not Scotland

Redx said:

If you answer the questions by giving us more info we could clarify the matter , but it's like getting blood from a stone so far

You appeal as a hirer or lessee on day 25 to P4 parking if it's London and not Scotland

I have answered all the questions asked! So in 25 days I'll appeal it. Should I put keeper or driver when asked ? Its a work van that is leased, I think from enterprise they lease from. Any more info needed ? He ain't even taken a picture of it so how is there any proof that the van was there in the first place ?

Le_Kirk

You are the hirer or lessee; nobody knows who was driving.

Redx

mrteabag69 said:

Redx said:

If you answer the questions by giving us more info we could clarify the matter , but it's like getting blood from a stone so far

You appeal as a hirer or lessee on day 25 to P4 parking if it's London and not Scotland

Redx said:

If you answer the questions by giving us more info we could clarify the matter , but it's like getting blood from a stone so far

You appeal as a hirer or lessee on day 25 to P4 parking if it's London and not Scotland

I have answered all the questions asked! So in 25 days I'll appeal it. Should I put keeper or driver when asked ? Its a work van that is leased, I think from enterprise they lease from. Any more info needed ? He ain't even taken a picture of it so how is there any proof that the van was there in the first place ?

Neither , you are hirer if there is a hire document or lessee if there is a lease document , so not driver and not keeper either

If you read what I said above I said as hirer or lessee !!! , In your case , it's as lessee

It would be extremely foolish to tell the parking company who was driving !