Has COVID killed face recognition

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Zellah said:

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mrochester said:

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Zellah

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Zellah said:

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mrochester said:

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

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Zellah said:

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Zellah said:

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Zellah said:

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mrochester said:

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

Yes like it was your opinion when you said Face ID is far superior than Touch ID when opening certain apps. 

Zellah

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mrochester said:

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

Yes like it was your opinion when you said Face ID is far superior than Touch ID when opening certain apps. 

And my opinion is backed up by the FACT that all flagship iPhones since iPhone X have Face ID instead of Touch ID. Doesn't that tell you something? 

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Zellah said:

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mrochester said:

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

Yes like it was your opinion when you said Face ID is far superior than Touch ID when opening certain apps. 

And my opinion is backed up by the FACT that all flagship iPhones since iPhone X have Face ID instead of Touch ID. Doesn't that tell you something? 

No it tells me that they went to Face ID when they went edge to edge display on the phones. Touch ID built into the screen was not something Apple was prepared to introduce and might never introduce if it does not meet whatever requirements they think are necessary. 

As I have already stated there are pros and cons to both types and I am happily using my iPhone X with Face ID. But as a user of a iPhone 6s two years prior I preferred Touch ID as a method of authentication to get into phone. I have had less failed authentication with Touch ID than Face ID due to my types of interactions with the phone.

However it would not surprise me if I do not like Touch ID built into a screen if it requires me to look at phone or hold it a certain way when placing finger. 

However maybe built into power button could be a nice alternative. 

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Zellah said:

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mrochester said:

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

Yes like it was your opinion when you said Face ID is far superior than Touch ID when opening certain apps. 

And my opinion is backed up by the FACT that all flagship iPhones since iPhone X have Face ID instead of Touch ID. Doesn't that tell you something? 

No it tells me that they went to Face ID when they went edge to edge display on the phones. 

Touch ID built into the screen was not something Apple was prepared to introduce and might never introduce if it does not meet whatever requirements they think are necessary. 

As I have already stated there are pros and cons to both types and I am happily using my iPhone X with Face ID. But as a user of a iPhone 6s two years prior I preferred Touch ID as a method of authentication to get into phone. I have had less failed authentication with Touch ID than Face ID due to my types of interactions with the phone.

However it would not surprise me if I do not like Touch ID built into a screen if it requires me to look at phone or hold it a certain way when placing finger. 

However maybe built into power button could be a nice alternative. 

I’m with you. I’ve used both and would much prefer Touch ID if it was an option on newer iPhones. 

mrochester

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mrochester said:

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

Yes like it was your opinion when you said Face ID is far superior than Touch ID when opening certain apps. 

And my opinion is backed up by the FACT that all flagship iPhones since iPhone X have Face ID instead of Touch ID. Doesn't that tell you something? 

No it tells me that they went to Face ID when they went edge to edge display on the phones. Touch ID built into the screen was not something Apple was prepared to introduce and might never introduce if it does not meet whatever requirements they think are necessary. 

As I have already stated there are pros and cons to both types and I am happily using my iPhone X with Face ID. But as a user of a iPhone 6s two years prior I preferred Touch ID as a method of authentication to get into phone. I have had less failed authentication with Touch ID than Face ID due to my types of interactions with the phone.

However it would not surprise me if I do not like Touch ID built into a screen if it requires me to look at phone or hold it a certain way when placing finger. 

However maybe built into power button could be a nice alternative. 

The probable reason Touch ID went is twofold:

1) it’s removal allowed Apple to push the screen right to the edges of the device  
2) it’s less secure than Face ID. 

i can’t imagine apple backtracking on either, *especially* since Apple are the security/privacy device manufacturer of note. I can’t even begin to imagine the backlash they’d get in the media and on social media for deliberately making their devices less secure. 

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mrochester said:

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Zellah said:

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Zellah said:

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Zellah said:

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mrochester said:

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

Yes like it was your opinion when you said Face ID is far superior than Touch ID when opening certain apps. 

And my opinion is backed up by the FACT that all flagship iPhones since iPhone X have Face ID instead of Touch ID. Doesn't that tell you something? 

No it tells me that they went to Face ID when they went edge to edge display on the phones. Touch ID built into the screen was not something Apple was prepared to introduce and might never introduce if it does not meet whatever requirements they think are necessary. 

As I have already stated there are pros and cons to both types and I am happily using my iPhone X with Face ID. But as a user of a iPhone 6s two years prior I preferred Touch ID as a method of authentication to get into phone. I have had less failed authentication with Touch ID than Face ID due to my types of interactions with the phone.

However it would not surprise me if I do not like Touch ID built into a screen if it requires me to look at phone or hold it a certain way when placing finger. 

However maybe built into power button could be a nice alternative. 

The probable reason Touch ID went is twofold:

1) it’s removal allowed Apple to push the screen right to the edges of the device  
2) it’s less secure than Face ID. 

i can’t imagine apple backtracking on either, *especially* since Apple are the security/privacy device manufacturer of note. I can’t even begin to imagine the backlash they’d get in the media and on social media for deliberately making their devices less secure. 

I don’t buy the less secure angle as they still use Touch ID on the new SE and banks are not the slightest bit worried about Touch ID. 

Also Touch ID was built into the power button of the new iPad Air. 

You do not have to take away Face ID to include Touch ID.

mrochester

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kah22 said:

My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

Kevin

It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

Yes like it was your opinion when you said Face ID is far superior than Touch ID when opening certain apps. 

And my opinion is backed up by the FACT that all flagship iPhones since iPhone X have Face ID instead of Touch ID. Doesn't that tell you something? 

No it tells me that they went to Face ID when they went edge to edge display on the phones. Touch ID built into the screen was not something Apple was prepared to introduce and might never introduce if it does not meet whatever requirements they think are necessary. 

As I have already stated there are pros and cons to both types and I am happily using my iPhone X with Face ID. But as a user of a iPhone 6s two years prior I preferred Touch ID as a method of authentication to get into phone. I have had less failed authentication with Touch ID than Face ID due to my types of interactions with the phone.

However it would not surprise me if I do not like Touch ID built into a screen if it requires me to look at phone or hold it a certain way when placing finger. 

However maybe built into power button could be a nice alternative. 

The probable reason Touch ID went is twofold:

1) it’s removal allowed Apple to push the screen right to the edges of the device  
2) it’s less secure than Face ID. 

i can’t imagine apple backtracking on either, *especially* since Apple are the security/privacy device manufacturer of note. I can’t even begin to imagine the backlash they’d get in the media and on social media for deliberately making their devices less secure. 

I don’t buy the less secure angle as they still use Touch ID on the new SE and banks are not the slightest bit worried about Touch ID. 

Also Touch ID was built into the power button of the new iPad Air. 

You do not have to take away Face ID to include Touch ID.

what we’ll probably see is the iPad Air eventually switch to Face ID once the cost of including the tech allows for the appropriate margin on the device. 

Touch ID adds back a less secure biometric option.  There’s literally no reason for Apple to do that. 

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My faithful 6s has been through the wars on more than one occasion and now she’s been retired from active service so come the Apple event this weekend I will be buying a new  iPhone 11 but wondered to myself is ‘face recognition dead in the water’ now we are in the new normal!

Anyway I hadn’t thought much about face recognition and how it works until a few days back when doing some final checking. Then it struck me; wearing a mask anytime I go out or go shopping makes face recognition almost impossible !  OK perhaps I’m a bit paranoid but if I have to open my phone and enter my PIN number does that not decrease the level of security offered. Is it a matter of more is less during these trying times !  I exaggerate the issue to make a point 

So I’m wondering what those bright young men and women over there in Cupertino, California, are going to do about it. Will we see a return to finger ID in some form or another, will we see a virtual finger ID sent to the phones via software updates.  Maybe instead of reading our faces  they’ll read our hands like in Mission Impossible 😎. I’m sure Apple have some very talented software engineers working on the problem right now

Perhaps if I hadn’t been as careless with my 6s I’d still hang on to her until the finger scan returns as I’m sure it will.

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It won’t have killed it. 

Unsure though if Apple will bring Touch ID into the power button like they did with the new iPad Air or wait until they are happy with Touch ID technology built into the screen.

ideally what you want in the future is once you pick up your phone it will unlock immediately regardless of orientation, how your hand is holding it and if your facing it directly but with all the high level of security still present from unauthorised use. 

I doubt Apple will go back to Touch ID in any device that has already received the Face ID upgrade. 

Hmm time will tell. 

Face ID is not really and upgrade over Touch ID, It’s just another method of security and a solution to be able to have a screen go edge to edge on a phone. There is pros and cons of both features and having both would be nice. 

I think you'll find Face ID is far superior to Touch ID on iOS. Superior in the sense that's its far quicker to authenticate apps such as banking apps when logging in.

I’ve used both and it’s not superior.

 Touch ID and Face ID have pros and cons and I prefer one over the other in different circumstances. 

Maybe you should tell the Apple designers that? They may even offer you a lucrative role at Cupertino since you seem to think all iOS users would prefer both Face ID and Touch ID to be incorporated into iOS devices. 

I gave my opinion and I did not say all iOS users would prefer it. 

Ahhh so it was your opinion rather than something factual. 

Yes like it was your opinion when you said Face ID is far superior than Touch ID when opening certain apps. 

And my opinion is backed up by the FACT that all flagship iPhones since iPhone X have Face ID instead of Touch ID. Doesn't that tell you something? 

No it tells me that they went to Face ID when they went edge to edge display on the phones. Touch ID built into the screen was not something Apple was prepared to introduce and might never introduce if it does not meet whatever requirements they think are necessary. 

As I have already stated there are pros and cons to both types and I am happily using my iPhone X with Face ID. But as a user of a iPhone 6s two years prior I preferred Touch ID as a method of authentication to get into phone. I have had less failed authentication with Touch ID than Face ID due to my types of interactions with the phone.

However it would not surprise me if I do not like Touch ID built into a screen if it requires me to look at phone or hold it a certain way when placing finger. 

However maybe built into power button could be a nice alternative. 

The probable reason Touch ID went is twofold:

1) it’s removal allowed Apple to push the screen right to the edges of the device  
2) it’s less secure than Face ID. 

i can’t imagine apple backtracking on either, *especially* since Apple are the security/privacy device manufacturer of note. I can’t even begin to imagine the backlash they’d get in the media and on social media for deliberately making their devices less secure. 

I don’t buy the less secure angle as they still use Touch ID on the new SE and banks are not the slightest bit worried about Touch ID. 

Also Touch ID was built into the power button of the new iPad Air. 

You do not have to take away Face ID to include Touch ID.

what we’ll probably see is the iPad Air eventually switch to Face ID once the cost of including the tech allows for the appropriate margin on the device. 

Touch ID adds back a less secure biometric option.  There’s literally no reason for Apple to do that. 

I'm still not sold on the less secure angle but anyways all we can do is wait and see if anything changes.