Furlough and redundancy

Colacanss

Apologies if anyone has confirmed this anywhere but does the new furlough scheme allow rehiring of staff like the previous scheme and be placed on furlough? I was made redudant on 31/10/2020 along with many others in the local area and I'm rapidly running out of jobs to apply for and would ideally like some kind of support whilst looking for a new job. 

poppy12345

Same rules apply. You can ask your former employer but don't expect them to agree because it costs to furlough as your job is no redundant there wouldn't be any reason to take you back.

Look at claiming benefits. If you've paid enough NI contributions in tax year April 2017 to April 2019 then New style JSA maybe possible. It's payable for 26 weeks. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-jobseekers-allowance

Universal Credit maybe possible but it will depend on your circumstances. Savings/capital of more than £16,000 will exclude you. A claim for UC will end any tax credits you may already be claiming. If you live with a partner you claim as couple.

Best time to claim this will be once you've received your final pay from work. Use a benefits calculator.

If you claim both of these together the NsJSA will be deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

MattMattMattUK

In theory yes, but it will cause some issues where redundancy payments have been made. Also it is highly unlikely the company will want to do so as it will cost them (around 20% of salary) even if they do not top up. You can always ask, but I would expect the answer to be no.

Jeremy535897

MattMattMattUK said:

In theory yes, but it will cause some issues where redundancy payments have been made. Also it is highly unlikely the company will want to do so as it will cost them (around 20% of salary) even if they do not top up. You can always ask, but I would expect the answer to be no.

Now that CJRS has been extended to March, the rehiring rule is back.

MattMattMattUK

Jeremy535897 said:

Now that CJRS has been extended to March, the rehiring rule is back.

It does mean a complication with having to repay redundancy pay (and pay in lieu of notice, plus holidays) though doesn't it?

superbigal

Employees who were employed and on the payroll on 23 September who were made redundant or stopped working afterwards can be re-employed and be claimed for by companies.

Jeremy535897

MattMattMattUK said:

Jeremy535897 said:

Now that CJRS has been extended to March, the rehiring rule is back.

It does mean a complication with having to repay redundancy pay (and pay in lieu of notice, plus holidays) though doesn't it?

Yes it does.

Colacanss

poppy12345 said:

Same rules apply. You can ask your former employer but don't expect them to agree because it costs to furlough as your job is no redundant there wouldn't be any reason to take you back.

Look at claiming benefits. If you've paid enough NI contributions in tax year April 2017 to April 2019 then New style JSA maybe possible. It's payable for 26 weeks. 

Universal Credit maybe possible but it will depend on your circumstances. Savings/capital of more than £16,000 will exclude you. A claim for UC will end any tax credits you may already be claiming. If you live with a partner you claim as couple.

Best time to claim this will be once you've received your final pay from work. Use a benefits calculator.

If you claim both of these together the NsJSA will be deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

Thanks for this. I've applied for the new job seeker scheme as its all a bit complex for me to work out what's best. I have a child on the way will the JSA affect any child tax credits (again I have no idea what even child tax credits is just been told it's somthing you can claim after having a child). I just want to make sure I still have an income to keep everything ticking over whilst getting a new job hopefully without needing to take a loan out. I don't think I will be able to get furlough out of my previous employer as my understanding is they will still need to pay NI/pension and they want to completely cut out any unnecessary spending.
On a separate note does anyone know if you have any legal grounds to dispute reduancy if the job title/description was somthing diffrent to what you actually spent your time doing? Part of what actually did was combined with another role and made in to a new job for 2 staff and wasn't placed on furlough for the fact that only a select few knew how to do the role. I had to train the 2 staff who had taken over. 

poppy12345

Colacanss said:

poppy12345 said:

Same rules apply. You can ask your former employer but don't expect them to agree because it costs to furlough as your job is no redundant there wouldn't be any reason to take you back.

Look at claiming benefits. If you've paid enough NI contributions in tax year April 2017 to April 2019 then New style JSA maybe possible. It's payable for 26 weeks. 

Universal Credit maybe possible but it will depend on your circumstances. Savings/capital of more than £16,000 will exclude you. A claim for UC will end any tax credits you may already be claiming. If you live with a partner you claim as couple.

Best time to claim this will be once you've received your final pay from work. Use a benefits calculator.

If you claim both of these together the NsJSA will be deducted in full from any UC entitlement.

Thanks for this. I've applied for the new job seeker scheme as its all a bit complex for me to work out what's best. I have a child on the way will the JSA affect any child tax credits (again I have no idea what even child tax credits is just been told it's somthing you can claim after having a child). I just want to make sure I still have an income to keep everything ticking over whilst getting a new job hopefully without needing to take a loan out. I don't think I will be able to get furlough out of my previous employer as my understanding is they will still need to pay NI/pension and they want to completely cut out any unnecessary spending.
On a separate note does anyone know if you have any legal grounds to dispute reduancy if the job title/description was somthing diffrent to what you actually spent your time doing? Part of what actually did was combined with another role and made in to a new job for 2 staff and wasn't placed on furlough for the fact that only a select few knew how to do the role. I had to train the 2 staff who had taken over. 

You will not be able to make a new claim for tax credits because it no longer exists for new claim, except for those that are claiming a severe disability premium in another benefit, which you're not.

Universal Credit has replaced all the old benefits like tax credit.  If you have savings over £16,000 you're exlcuded from claiming. If you live with a partner you claim as a couple.

Use a benefits calculator to check entitlement and put in your details as they are now and then as they will be once the baby is born.

Maternity Allowance maybe possible..see link. https://www.gov.uk/maternity-allowance/eligibility

The New style JSA is taxable income and is only paid for 26 weeks at £74.35 per week (over 25) £58.90 per week (under 25)

Child benefit can be claimed separately and is £21.05 per week. https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit/what-youll-get

Can't answer your question regarding the redundancy though.

Jeremy535897

On a separate note does anyone know if you have any legal grounds to dispute reduancy if the job title/description was somthing diffrent to what you actually spent your time doing? Part of what actually did was combined with another role and made in to a new job for 2 staff and wasn't placed on furlough for the fact that only a select few knew how to do the role. I had to train the 2 staff who had taken over. 

I think what matters is the job you did, not the name of it. It is whether the role has become redundant.

solwayman

I am one of six who are currently serving our 3 months notice period due to complete on the 8th of December, could my employer take us back on furlough until the end of March but still keep us on notice