My boss doesn't have me on the books. Can I claim furlough?

macman

annabanana82 said:

Jeremy535897 said:

annabanana82 said:

My Brother has stupidly worked off the books a number of times and for significant periods. Some times as "self employed" others just plain cheating. 
His most recent job is off the books, he's treated quite poorly, work ridiculous hours on call with no proper downtime. He can be on call all weekend until 8am Monday morning, then expected to give straight back into normal hours. 
Apparently the employers does not have adequate insurance so any damage is docked from his wages, customers phone and complain that he got their carpets dirty, even though he has to wear boot liners. He has no chance to defend himself as the customer is always right. 
The employer also contracts for local councils, so there should be more robust checks in place, for insurance if nothing else. 
As my brother has knowingly been working illegally he can't really start causing a fuss now. 

If he diligently filed a self assessment tax return every year with an accurate set of figures as if he was self employed, he would have some defence. 

Yes, he's 1st class idiot, that's never going to happen. How he managed to get a mortgage and not have it repossessed so far is a complete miracle, though bank of Mum and Dad has helped stave them off 

How did he provide proof of income to get a mortgage then?

strawb_shortcake

macman said:

annabanana82 said:

Jeremy535897 said:

annabanana82 said:

My Brother has stupidly worked off the books a number of times and for significant periods. Some times as "self employed" others just plain cheating. 
His most recent job is off the books, he's treated quite poorly, work ridiculous hours on call with no proper downtime. He can be on call all weekend until 8am Monday morning, then expected to give straight back into normal hours. 
Apparently the employers does not have adequate insurance so any damage is docked from his wages, customers phone and complain that he got their carpets dirty, even though he has to wear boot liners. He has no chance to defend himself as the customer is always right. 
The employer also contracts for local councils, so there should be more robust checks in place, for insurance if nothing else. 
As my brother has knowingly been working illegally he can't really start causing a fuss now. 

If he diligently filed a self assessment tax return every year with an accurate set of figures as if he was self employed, he would have some defence. 

Yes, he's 1st class idiot, that's never going to happen. How he managed to get a mortgage and not have it repossessed so far is a complete miracle, though bank of Mum and Dad has helped stave them off 

How did he provide proof of income to get a mortgage then?

He got the mortgage 17 years ago, I can only assume he was on the books at the time. 
Though it's a northern rock mortgage and he borrowed 125%, not sure what sort of evidence was required at the time?

Pennywise

MattMattMattUK said:

macman said:

Depressing to hear that 'the accountant' is part of a conspiracy to defraud HMRC, as well as the owners.

There are quite a few accountants who support small owner/director businesses and sole traders who are far more adept at fiddling the system and hiding true profit from HMRC than they are at doing accounts. Some are qualified and accredited, others are not but practice as "accountants" regardless. My ex boss used to have an accredited one that would make people's accounts say whatever they wanted, so long as they paid his fee. 

You'll get crooked people in every trade/profession.  It doesn't mean all/most are crooked.