Clinically Extremely Vulnerable

calcotti

kaMelo said: They are stubborn when they don't change direction or it's an embarrassing U-Turn if they do. 

Completely agree with that. They get castigated if they won't change there minds and damned if they do. 

unforeseen

You only have to listen to them at the televised press conferences. Questions are always designed to shoot the government down where possible. You know that is the intention when the BBC wheel out Laura K and Sky wheel out Martha whatever her name is. They never think to ask questions that might clarify things for the viewers. 

Jeremy535897

I caught a glimpse of Andrew Marr and Michael Gove this morning, and heard Marr asking Gove to admit that the government was making a U turn. So what if it did? If it was the right thing to do, we don't want politicians constrained from doing it by media nonsense. It would be far more useful to ask questions like, for example, will CJRS be based on salary updated to October. I think that the Prime Minister's statement yesterday was delayed by the media trying to second guess what was coming. That is all they do now; try to score points over things done and gone, and try to guess what is round the corner. Neither is the slightest bit of use.

ToxicWomble

The press exist to sensationalise and sell their product.
Rarely do they factually inform
Its a bit like the opposition and government- rarely will they say “yes, that’s a great idea, we agree with you”

Dr_Crypto

If we are guided by science then we should be changing tack all the time seeing as the whole point of science is to test hypotheses and produce new information that influences thinking. 

Would you want a Dr who kept insisting their initial diagnosis and plan was correct even if it became clear it wasn’t? Of course not. Politicians should be allowed to adapt to new information and abandon things that don’t work. 

ToxicWomble

Dr_Crypto said:

If we are guided by science then we should be changing tack all the time seeing as the whole point of science is to test hypotheses and produce new information that influences thinking. 

Would you want a Dr who kept insisting their initial diagnosis and plan was correct even if it became clear it wasn’t? Of course not. Politicians should be allowed to adapt to new information and abandon things that don’t work. 

I agree with you - only a fool would not be prepared to change their mind when faced with more facts

Jeremy535897

ToxicWomble said:

Dr_Crypto said:

If we are guided by science then we should be changing tack all the time seeing as the whole point of science is to test hypotheses and produce new information that influences thinking. 

Would you want a Dr who kept insisting their initial diagnosis and plan was correct even if it became clear it wasn’t? Of course not. Politicians should be allowed to adapt to new information and abandon things that don’t work. 

I agree with you - only a fool would not be prepared to change their mind when faced with more facts

Oh dear, statins again...

Aranyani

Jeremy535897 said:

I caught a glimpse of Andrew Marr and Michael Gove this morning, and heard Marr asking Gove to admit that the government was making a U turn. So what if it did? 

Well, ideally you'd like them to get it right in the first place a bit more often.  Lots of U-turns is a sign of a government that gets it wrong a lot on the first go, and they have often needed quite a lot of external pressure to u-turn and make the right decision.

Jeremy535897

 Aranyani said:

Jeremy535897 said:

I caught a glimpse of Andrew Marr and Michael Gove this morning, and heard Marr asking Gove to admit that the government was making a U turn. So what if it did? 

Well, ideally you'd like them to get it right in the first place a bit more often.  Lots of U-turns is a sign of a government that gets it wrong a lot on the first go, and they have often needed quite a lot of external pressure to u-turn and make the right decision.

None of that justifies a journalist wasting time on the past, when they could actually ask something we might learn from.

Dr_Crypto

But this pandemic is something nobody really knows what to do with. 

In most things, however complex, there will be someone who can sort it out. For example none of us can perform heart surgery or send a satellite to space. But we know that such people exist and may even have an idea how to contact one. 

Nobody really knows how to deal with this. Whitty and chums don’t either. They may have a better idea than us but they are still learning as they go. That’s why different countries have taken different approaches and modified them.