Clinically Extremely Vulnerable

calcotti

Yahoo_Mail said: We're not going to have the level of support we had in the first lockdown. It's not sustainable, so expect less support going forward, not more.

Yahoo_Mail said:

calcotti said:

Yahoo_Mail said: We're not going to have the level of support we had in the first lockdown. It's not sustainable, so expect less support going forward, not more.

The guidance published today appears to indicate that the extended CJRS will cost employers less than before (should they choose to use it). Looks like they have to pay NI and pension costs but government will pay 80% of the wage - but we’ll have to wait for more detail to know for sure. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november#financial-support

Yes, I know they're going back to 80% furlough but on the whole, support is being reduced over time not maintained and certainly not increased.

Obviously long term the intention is to reduce government support but my point was that, for November at least, it appears that employers will be getting more support to fund furloughed employees than during the original lockdown. 

Unfortunately doesn't help OP if employer is unwilling to furlough them.

Becles

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Becles said:

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I'm confused, have you been on furlough until today anyway? If so is there any reason you aren't going to continue being on furlough?

If you have had a mortgage holiday throughout your furlough then are you not better off month to month anyway?

No I was refused furlough for shielding by my employer. I claimed sickness benefits which was ok then as I had a mortgage holiday, then returned to work when shielding ended and I was no longer entitled to sickness benefits.

The mortgage holiday has ended now though. I cannot afford to pay the mortgage, utility bills and buy food on sickness benefits alone. Therefore I cannot afford to stop off work as per the guidance announced tonight.

Sorry to hear that, I misunderstood your first post and I can't give any guidance. This is where there is a massive gap in the government help schemes. 

It is a massive gap and it penalises people with serious health conditions. 

I did write to The Treasury and my MP also wrote on my behalf, but all we got back was a big cut and paste letter praising the Government for the unprecedented level of support everyone else is getting. 

calcotti

Becles said: I did write to The Treasury and my MP also wrote on my behalf, but all we got back was a big cut and paste letter praising the Government for the unprecedented level of support everyone else is getting. 

They never answer the actual question asked or address the particular points raised do they. One of the things that infuriates me about newspaper articles that end with “a government spokesperson said” something completely irrelevant to the content of the article,

Jeremy535897

It is the modern method of ducking questions, and today's rather feeble interviewers let them get away with it, either through bad interview technique (long, rambling multiple questions that allow the interviewee to answer only the easiest one), or lack of persistence when the question isn't answered at all, or asking really stupid questions they know will not be answered, just for effect.

calcotti

Which could be described as the missing the point non-answer.

Flugelhorn

Dr_Crypto said:

Maybe the payment holidays will return? Hard to guess seeing as this is meant to be for one month only whereas the last time it was open ended (although at the start people thought it would be for a month only).

I wonder how many will come out of it on Dec 2nd and back into a lower tier? not many I suspect, the tier scheme is open ended. Hopefully payment holidays will return

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calcotti said:

Becles said: I did write to The Treasury and my MP also wrote on my behalf, but all we got back was a big cut and paste letter praising the Government for the unprecedented level of support everyone else is getting. 

They never answer the actual question asked or address the particular points raised do they. One of the things that infuriates me about newspaper articles that end with “a government spokesperson said” something completely irrelevant to the content of the article,

Probably because the newspaper/media only publish what they want the public to read, along with their speculative views, and there's nothing to back it up - that is a whole other subject though 

Jeremy535897

calcotti said:

Which could be described as the missing the point non-answer.

I remember a webinar HMRC did on SEISS, and you could ask questions, but they only had about 10 stock answers, and just gave the nearest fit to the question you actually asked. Needless to say, the stock answers only dealt with the really obvious questions that didn't need asking in the first place.

Pennywise

Jeremy535897 said:

calcotti said:

Which could be described as the missing the point non-answer.

I remember a webinar HMRC did on SEISS, and you could ask questions, but they only had about 10 stock answers, and just gave the nearest fit to the question you actually asked. Needless to say, the stock answers only dealt with the really obvious questions that didn't need asking in the first place.

That's par for the course with all HMRC's "guidance" etc.  They give pretty extreme examples that have clear answers anyway, but dodge the "grey area" scenarios between the extremes which is where most people's circumstances lay.

kaMelo

calcotti said:

Becles said: I did write to The Treasury and my MP also wrote on my behalf, but all we got back was a big cut and paste letter praising the Government for the unprecedented level of support everyone else is getting. 

They never answer the actual question asked or address the particular points raised do they. One of the things that infuriates me about newspaper articles that end with “a government spokesperson said” something completely irrelevant to the content of the article,

Given the media's obsession with wanting that "Gotcha" moment and phrasing questions to enable this it's no surprise that politicians are reluctant to answer anything with a clear and definitive answer.  Doing so would enable the inevitable media frenzy later on.
Even without those kind of definitive answers for the gotcha's, politicians still can't win whatever they do.. They are stubborn when they don't change direction or it's an embarrassing U-Turn if they do.