Moving from England to Wales during Welsh lockdown

Splatfoot

moneysavinghero said:

Splatfoot said:

We are due to exchange on our house in the next week or so. We will also be moving to Wales but have not found anywhere yet. We will be living in a motor home whilst we search. I suppose we'll have to just hover round the border until lockdown lifts! 

Not another campervan ruining the beauty.

Rude. But actually a converted horsebox.

Thrugelmir

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Whether its rented or not, they still have a home, so not essential for them to move. It's only a few weeks. Think of the old people.

I am an 'old person!'  If the OP goes straight to their new home, decorates or whatever all day and then goes home again,  it'll have b-all effect on CV19 rates in Wales, so don't give me that 'old person' nonsense.

I could drive to Rhyl, have a nice walk down the sea front and then drive back home, and also cause no effects on the Covid rates. Should i? Or should i follow the rules / law.? Should everyone make their own rules up?

The obvious answer is that everyone should take personal responsibility and behave in the correct manner with regard to what we know about transmission, perhaps like they've been expected to do in Sweden, without the enforcement of draconian measures.  They seem to have done somewhat better than us, don't they?

Relatively speaking not very well at all.  Given their population size is less around 70% of that of Greater London.  Density of population is the key to transmission. Spain is suffering for this very reason. 

kayannie

moneysavinghero said:

kayannie said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Wanted nicely painted walls as soon as you move in seems pretty whimsical to me, and certainly not essential. It can wait a few weeks.

The OP said 'decorating etc' which could be shorthand for many things, including changing the locks, fixing the leak under the sink meeting a local trades person, solicitor and so on; all things we did in the first few days. There are certainly many jobs that are much more easily dealt with while there are no furnishings too.

Oh, but we have to follow rules, so lets make moving into a new home as difficult and unrewarding as possible!

Yes, the decorating consists of treating patches of mould & resticking  wallpaper where it is peeling off, just minor jobs but easier to do while empty. Need to measure windows so that I can make curtains that fit. Need to contact a tradesperson regarding plumbing that needs doing. Chimney needs sweeping - another job that must be done while property empty. 
The cottage was a holiday home before we bought it so at least we will be living there full time once we do move in.

All non-essential jobs that will wait a few weeks. Property will still  be empty in a few weeks.

I completely agree, but my original question was to ask if anyone knew if we were allowed to go to our new property to do these jobs. I prefer to follow the rules but haven't been able to find out what the rules are concerning our circumstances. Even the estate agent selling us the property couldn't tell us. 

moneysavinghero

kayannie said:

moneysavinghero said:

kayannie said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Wanted nicely painted walls as soon as you move in seems pretty whimsical to me, and certainly not essential. It can wait a few weeks.

The OP said 'decorating etc' which could be shorthand for many things, including changing the locks, fixing the leak under the sink meeting a local trades person, solicitor and so on; all things we did in the first few days. There are certainly many jobs that are much more easily dealt with while there are no furnishings too.

Oh, but we have to follow rules, so lets make moving into a new home as difficult and unrewarding as possible!

Yes, the decorating consists of treating patches of mould & resticking  wallpaper where it is peeling off, just minor jobs but easier to do while empty. Need to measure windows so that I can make curtains that fit. Need to contact a tradesperson regarding plumbing that needs doing. Chimney needs sweeping - another job that must be done while property empty. 
The cottage was a holiday home before we bought it so at least we will be living there full time once we do move in.

All non-essential jobs that will wait a few weeks. Property will still  be empty in a few weeks.

I completely agree, but my original question was to ask if anyone knew if we were allowed to go to our new property to do these jobs. I prefer to follow the rules but haven't been able to find out what the rules are concerning our circumstances. Even the estate agent selling us the property couldn't tell us. 

I think Phoebe gave the best answer:

They got in touch with the local council at the start of the local lockdown and were told they weren't allowed to visit even though this will soon be their permanent/only owned home.

Pretty clear.

davidmcn

kayannie said:

moneysavinghero said:

kayannie said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Wanted nicely painted walls as soon as you move in seems pretty whimsical to me, and certainly not essential. It can wait a few weeks.

The OP said 'decorating etc' which could be shorthand for many things, including changing the locks, fixing the leak under the sink meeting a local trades person, solicitor and so on; all things we did in the first few days. There are certainly many jobs that are much more easily dealt with while there are no furnishings too.

Oh, but we have to follow rules, so lets make moving into a new home as difficult and unrewarding as possible!

Yes, the decorating consists of treating patches of mould & resticking  wallpaper where it is peeling off, just minor jobs but easier to do while empty. Need to measure windows so that I can make curtains that fit. Need to contact a tradesperson regarding plumbing that needs doing. Chimney needs sweeping - another job that must be done while property empty. 
The cottage was a holiday home before we bought it so at least we will be living there full time once we do move in.

All non-essential jobs that will wait a few weeks. Property will still  be empty in a few weeks.

I completely agree, but my original question was to ask if anyone knew if we were allowed to go to our new property to do these jobs. I prefer to follow the rules but haven't been able to find out what the rules are concerning our circumstances. Even the estate agent selling us the property couldn't tell us. 

Here are the regulations. As you're currently living outside Wales then section 5 creates the general offence of entering or remaining in Wales unless you have a reasonable excuse, and lists things which are deemed to be reasonable excuses. Note this isn't an exhaustive list, so you may be able to argue that something not listed there is also a reasonable excuse - but do you feel lucky?

MoneySeeker1

kayannie said:

moneysavinghero said:

kayannie said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Wanted nicely painted walls as soon as you move in seems pretty whimsical to me, and certainly not essential. It can wait a few weeks.

The OP said 'decorating etc' which could be shorthand for many things, including changing the locks, fixing the leak under the sink meeting a local trades person, solicitor and so on; all things we did in the first few days. There are certainly many jobs that are much more easily dealt with while there are no furnishings too.

Oh, but we have to follow rules, so lets make moving into a new home as difficult and unrewarding as possible!

Yes, the decorating consists of treating patches of mould & resticking  wallpaper where it is peeling off, just minor jobs but easier to do while empty. Need to measure windows so that I can make curtains that fit. Need to contact a tradesperson regarding plumbing that needs doing. Chimney needs sweeping - another job that must be done while property empty. 
The cottage was a holiday home before we bought it so at least we will be living there full time once we do move in.

All non-essential jobs that will wait a few weeks. Property will still  be empty in a few weeks.

I completely agree, but my original question was to ask if anyone knew if we were allowed to go to our new property to do these jobs. I prefer to follow the rules but haven't been able to find out what the rules are concerning our circumstances. Even the estate agent selling us the property couldn't tell us. 

One advantage is that no-one much at all seems to "know the rules" right now - because they keep changing, they are totally mad half the time and there's different "rules" for different areas of the country. Right now there is one thing that is striking me big-time and lots of people are not thinking straight right now and you can even say a simple tiny little sentence like "2 + 2 = 4" to them and they aren't comprehending it and I think all this huge huge Fear Narrative that is being thrown at people umpteen times a day is breaking down logical thinking etc of Normal Times and they are struggling to "think straight" frankly. Let's face it - it IS enormously difficult for many people to be able to think logically/normally/etc/etc whilst Fear/Fear/Fear is being thrown at them right/left/centre (eg it's on the quarter hour every quarter hour on my local radio station for instance - so they've got about 14 minutes to "think straight/listen to the programme" and then "There it goes again - Be Afraid/Be Very Afraid" and I have to hum away like mad/switch stations/switch it off). The Fear Narrative is SO pervasive at the moment that it is hugely difficult to think straight/think logically.

Quite frankly - I'm looking at the Southern England location I've come from and am thinking "Why the heck is my current location in this country (ie Wales) being treated a lot worse than the 'higher infection' area I've come from?" and there isn't any logic in at all. The only thing I can see is where I've come from is a lot "richer" than where I am now. I certainly can't see any logical reasons whatsoever for treating where I now am (ie Wales) worse than my nice/rich/comfortable southern English area I've come from frankly.

All I do know is the percentage of "yer ordinary person in the street" that is saying to me words along the lines of "There's something very ODD about all this and it does not add up" has shot up recently and lots of people can now see there is some sort of hidden agenda/lack of logic/something going on somewhere and we just can't figure out exactly what it is.

Davesnave

davidmcn said:

kayannie said:

moneysavinghero said:

kayannie said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Wanted nicely painted walls as soon as you move in seems pretty whimsical to me, and certainly not essential. It can wait a few weeks.

The OP said 'decorating etc' which could be shorthand for many things, including changing the locks, fixing the leak under the sink meeting a local trades person, solicitor and so on; all things we did in the first few days. There are certainly many jobs that are much more easily dealt with while there are no furnishings too.

Oh, but we have to follow rules, so lets make moving into a new home as difficult and unrewarding as possible!

Yes, the decorating consists of treating patches of mould & resticking  wallpaper where it is peeling off, just minor jobs but easier to do while empty. Need to measure windows so that I can make curtains that fit. Need to contact a tradesperson regarding plumbing that needs doing. Chimney needs sweeping - another job that must be done while property empty. 
The cottage was a holiday home before we bought it so at least we will be living there full time once we do move in.

All non-essential jobs that will wait a few weeks. Property will still  be empty in a few weeks.

I completely agree, but my original question was to ask if anyone knew if we were allowed to go to our new property to do these jobs. I prefer to follow the rules but haven't been able to find out what the rules are concerning our circumstances. Even the estate agent selling us the property couldn't tell us. 

Here are the regulations. As you're currently living outside Wales then section 5 creates the general offence of entering or remaining in Wales unless you have a reasonable excuse, and lists things which are deemed to be reasonable excuses. Note this isn't an exhaustive list, so you may be able to argue that something not listed there is also a reasonable excuse - but do you feel lucky?

Moving home is a reasonable excuse, so by inference, direct preparation for the move is also reasonable. Doing the sort of jobs we've discussed is a reasonable expectation, while wishing to have an afternoon stroll on the sea front at Rhyl, is not.

thepurplepixie

MoneySeeker1 said:

Hospitals swamped - as if....and pleas are going out now to have people find some way somehow to get more photos out there of all those empty beds in them at present.

What do you mean by "as if"