Moving from England to Wales during Welsh lockdown

Davesnave

moneysavinghero said:

Whether its rented or not, they still have a home, so not essential for them to move. It's only a few weeks. Think of the old people.

I am an 'old person!'  If the OP goes straight to their new home, decorates or whatever all day and then goes home again,  it'll have b-all effect on CV19 rates in Wales, so don't give me that 'old person' nonsense.

moneysavinghero

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Whether its rented or not, they still have a home, so not essential for them to move. It's only a few weeks. Think of the old people.

I am an 'old person!'  If the OP goes straight to their new home, decorates or whatever all day and then goes home again,  it'll have b-all effect on CV19 rates in Wales, so don't give me that 'old person' nonsense.

I could drive to Rhyl, have a nice walk down the sea front and then drive back home, and also cause no effects on the Covid rates. Should i? Or should i follow the rules / law.? Should everyone make their own rules up?

MoneySeeker1

moneysavinghero said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Whether its rented or not, they still have a home, so not essential for them to move. It's only a few weeks. Think of the old people.

I am an 'old person!'  If the OP goes straight to their new home, decorates or whatever all day and then goes home again,  it'll have b-all effect on CV19 rates in Wales, so don't give me that 'old person' nonsense.

I could drive to Rhyl, have a nice walk down the sea front and then drive back home, and also cause no effects on the Covid rates. Should i? Or should i follow the rules / law.? Should everyone make their own rules up?

This is where I get envious that some have clearly had an easier life to date than the rest of us and have a "comfort zone" they've always been in.

Everyone should follow commonsense - and commonsense is very often conflicting with Government or Mark Drakeford's rules right now.

As for old people - would that be those old people that are begging/crying with loneliness to be with their relatives? Or those old people that were (probably still are) expected to have the decision made for them to put a DNR order (Do Not Resuscitate) should they need any medical attention?

moneysavinghero

MoneySeeker1 said:

moneysavinghero said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Whether its rented or not, they still have a home, so not essential for them to move. It's only a few weeks. Think of the old people.

I am an 'old person!'  If the OP goes straight to their new home, decorates or whatever all day and then goes home again,  it'll have b-all effect on CV19 rates in Wales, so don't give me that 'old person' nonsense.

I could drive to Rhyl, have a nice walk down the sea front and then drive back home, and also cause no effects on the Covid rates. Should i? Or should i follow the rules / law.? Should everyone make their own rules up?

This is where I get envious that some have clearly had an easier life to date than the rest of us and have a "comfort zone" they've always been in.

Everyone should follow commonsense - and commonsense is very often conflicting with Government or Mark Drakeford's rules right now.

As for old people - would that be those old people that are begging/crying with loneliness to be with their relatives? Or those old people that were (probably still are) expected to have the decision made for them to put a DNR order (Do Not Resuscitate) should they need any medical attention?

Wish i had been in a comfort zone. I have suffered as have everyone else that follows the rules. Living close to the Welsh border, my normal life straddles both countries so maybe affected more than some. But for now that is on hold and it's a small price to pay.

So we don't need to follow the law anymore, commensense will do. I see.

Old people begging/crying with loneliness are able to see their relatives. The rules allow this. DNR's being forced upon someone is something that only needs to happen if hospitals get swamped - we all follow the rules and keep cases down then hopefully this will not have to happen.

From the Welsh Government advice:

Even where something may be allowed, we ask you not to think about whether it is permitted but whether it is truly necessary and sensible. The purpose of this short lockdown is to create a concerted national effort to do everything we can to stop the spread of coronavirus, and every individual contribution to that counts.

We need to stop thinking whether we can get round the rules or not, and just follow them. It's only a few weeks.

MoneySeeker1

moneysavinghero said:

MoneySeeker1 said:

moneysavinghero said:

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

Whether its rented or not, they still have a home, so not essential for them to move. It's only a few weeks. Think of the old people.

I am an 'old person!'  If the OP goes straight to their new home, decorates or whatever all day and then goes home again,  it'll have b-all effect on CV19 rates in Wales, so don't give me that 'old person' nonsense.

I could drive to Rhyl, have a nice walk down the sea front and then drive back home, and also cause no effects on the Covid rates. Should i? Or should i follow the rules / law.? Should everyone make their own rules up?

This is where I get envious that some have clearly had an easier life to date than the rest of us and have a "comfort zone" they've always been in.

Everyone should follow commonsense - and commonsense is very often conflicting with Government or Mark Drakeford's rules right now.

As for old people - would that be those old people that are begging/crying with loneliness to be with their relatives? Or those old people that were (probably still are) expected to have the decision made for them to put a DNR order (Do Not Resuscitate) should they need any medical attention?

Wish i had been in a comfort zone. I have suffered as have everyone else that follows the rules. Living close to the Welsh border, my normal life straddles both countries so maybe affected more than some. But for now that is on hold and it's a small price to pay.

So we don't need to follow the law anymore, commensense will do. I see.

Old people begging/crying with loneliness are able to see their relatives. The rules allow this. DNR's being forced upon someone is something that only needs to happen if hospitals get swamped - we all follow the rules and keep cases down then hopefully this will not have to happen.

From the Welsh Government advice:

Even where something may be allowed, we ask you not to think about whether it is permitted but whether it is truly necessary and sensible. The purpose of this short lockdown is to create a concerted national effort to do everything we can to stop the spread of coronavirus, and every individual contribution to that counts.

We need to stop thinking whether we can get round the rules or not, and just follow them. It's only a few weeks.

There was me reading all those accounts of old people in carehomes being prevented/still are prevented from seeing nearby relatives that intend to see them and, at best, having a rationed visit time and told to sit feet apart...

Hospitals swamped - as if....and pleas are going out now to have people find some way somehow to get more photos out there of all those empty beds in them at present.

"Just a few weeks" are the famous last words we were told back in March - "It's only for 3 weeks. It's only to flatten the curve". Those 3 weeks came and went and got extended and got extended again - and we're now 30 weeks into Lockdown. So we really don't need ONE person (Mark Drakeford) dictating that Wales is our country's equivalent of the state of Victoria in Australia and it's so much worse for us here than in much of the rest of the country. What makes Wales so different from Devon, Cornwall, Somerset for instance??

I gather a lot of the Germans were "only following rules" back in 1930s Germany. Then again, have you read of that psychological experiment a few decades back where one set of students were told to inflict pain on command (with electrical shocks) on another set of students and a lot of them kept doing it because they were "following the rules" - even though all the actors that were pretending to be students on the receiving end of the electric shocks pretended to be in pain from them - yet still a lot of the inflicters kept right on inflicting pain (as they thought) to "follow rules".

moneysavinghero

To answer Moneyseekers question:

 "What makes Wales so different from Devon, Cornwall, Somerset for instance??" 

They have a different Government.

davidmcn

moneysavinghero said:

To answer Moneyseekers question:

 "What makes Wales so different from Devon, Cornwall, Somerset for instance??" 

They have a different Government.

And about double the rate of recent cases.

kayannie

moneysavinghero said:

It appears that you currently own 2 homes. One that you currently reside in in England and a new one in Wales.

 Therefore it is not essential that you move to Wales during the lockdown, regardless of whether you will eventually make the Welsh one your permanent home in the future.

No, the only home we own is the one  just bought in Wales which is to be our permanent home as soon as we are able to move there.  We are staying temporarily in a relative's house in England.

kayannie

Davesnave said:

moneysavinghero said:

It appears that you currently own 2 homes. One that you currently reside in in England and a new one in Wales.

 Therefore it is not essential that you move to Wales during the lockdown, regardless of whether you will eventually make the Welsh one your permanent home in the future.

OP has clearly stated she is renting.

Thank you. Glad someone understands!

kayannie

moneysavinghero said:

Whether its rented or not, they still have a home, so not essential for them to move. It's only a few weeks. Think of the old people.

 I am thinking of them, we are old! Want to get there while we are still able to enjoy it