Odd ebay details in address, essential?

custardy

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

steveE2 said:

The Australian code "ABN #64 652 016 681 Code: PAID" needs to be added in the address as it shows the buyer has already paid the Goods and Services Tax (GST)
The code ebay is now adding to UK addresses is for their reference which they can apparently check with the carrier.

Interesting, I wonder if we'll get a similar thing when buying internationally from next year. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than paying Royal Mail £8 for the privilege of paying import VAT on every single parcel no matter the value.

Except you dont pay £8 regardless of value...........

I saw a post (from William Shatner of all people) that UK Gov is pushing collection of VAT onto international sellers so it must be changing.
He was maliginng he would remove sales to the UK from his store due to admin costs.

No, you pay the appropriate amount of VAT then £8 on top of that, as RM's handling fee. The current threshold is £15 so the £8 is annoying as heck, but worse if you then had to pay £8 + import VAT on something worth even less.

That's one thing I was afraid of, individual sellers finding it too much hassle to sell to the UK so we can no longer buy from them.

It’s already happening the other way round.  eBay and Etsy already automatically charge sales tax for any sales we make to USA, Australia and Norway.  I’m sure more will follow.  It’s made bookkeeping more of a pain that’s for sure!

Good to know Etsy and eBay will probably be doable, as most of my international purchases are on Etsy. At one point I thought they absolved themselves of responsibility by saying they're merely a platform and don't get involved in actual sales, which is why they don't currently collect VAT on sales over the threshold to the UK, but maybe that's changed. If it makes bookkeeping more of a hassle I can still see some sellers just not allowing sales to the UK though

It may blow your mind but I'm fully versed on RMs customs procedure.
Customs SAMPLE RMs parcel traffic. So being over £15 is not a guarantee of an item being found  liable for customs.
You could of course do your own clearance if the £8 is too high for you.

Spoonie_Turtle

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

steveE2 said:

The Australian code "ABN #64 652 016 681 Code: PAID" needs to be added in the address as it shows the buyer has already paid the Goods and Services Tax (GST)
The code ebay is now adding to UK addresses is for their reference which they can apparently check with the carrier.

Interesting, I wonder if we'll get a similar thing when buying internationally from next year. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than paying Royal Mail £8 for the privilege of paying import VAT on every single parcel no matter the value.

Except you dont pay £8 regardless of value...........

I saw a post (from William Shatner of all people) that UK Gov is pushing collection of VAT onto international sellers so it must be changing.
He was maliginng he would remove sales to the UK from his store due to admin costs.

No, you pay the appropriate amount of VAT then £8 on top of that, as RM's handling fee. The current threshold is £15 so the £8 is annoying as heck, but worse if you then had to pay £8 + import VAT on something worth even less.

That's one thing I was afraid of, individual sellers finding it too much hassle to sell to the UK so we can no longer buy from them.

It’s already happening the other way round.  eBay and Etsy already automatically charge sales tax for any sales we make to USA, Australia and Norway.  I’m sure more will follow.  It’s made bookkeeping more of a pain that’s for sure!

Good to know Etsy and eBay will probably be doable, as most of my international purchases are on Etsy. At one point I thought they absolved themselves of responsibility by saying they're merely a platform and don't get involved in actual sales, which is why they don't currently collect VAT on sales over the threshold to the UK, but maybe that's changed. If it makes bookkeeping more of a hassle I can still see some sellers just not allowing sales to the UK though

It may blow your mind but I'm fully versed on RMs customs procedure.
Customs SAMPLE RMs parcel traffic. So being over £15 is not a guarantee of an item being found  liable for customs.
You could of course do your own clearance if the £8 is too high for you.

Sorry, I didn't read your username last time! didn't twig it was you. My original comment meant the fee being the same regardless of value, not the total charge.

I understand why RM charge a fee but if a 99p object from China ended up costing an extra £8.20 in VAT and handling fees once the LVCR is abolished, especially when the same object is not available to buy from the UK, you can probably understand why I'd begrudge paying that £8.

At the moment I just try to buy under the threshold anyway, although I have had a 100% success rate at being hit with fees for a few packages that ended up being literally pennies over the threshold, due to exchange rate fluctuation between buying them and the item going through customs. (Bit annoying then that the handling fee is still over 50% of the item's value as well, but there we are.)

custardy

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

steveE2 said:

The Australian code "ABN #64 652 016 681 Code: PAID" needs to be added in the address as it shows the buyer has already paid the Goods and Services Tax (GST)
The code ebay is now adding to UK addresses is for their reference which they can apparently check with the carrier.

Interesting, I wonder if we'll get a similar thing when buying internationally from next year. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than paying Royal Mail £8 for the privilege of paying import VAT on every single parcel no matter the value.

Except you dont pay £8 regardless of value...........

I saw a post (from William Shatner of all people) that UK Gov is pushing collection of VAT onto international sellers so it must be changing.
He was maliginng he would remove sales to the UK from his store due to admin costs.

No, you pay the appropriate amount of VAT then £8 on top of that, as RM's handling fee. The current threshold is £15 so the £8 is annoying as heck, but worse if you then had to pay £8 + import VAT on something worth even less.

That's one thing I was afraid of, individual sellers finding it too much hassle to sell to the UK so we can no longer buy from them.

It’s already happening the other way round.  eBay and Etsy already automatically charge sales tax for any sales we make to USA, Australia and Norway.  I’m sure more will follow.  It’s made bookkeeping more of a pain that’s for sure!

Good to know Etsy and eBay will probably be doable, as most of my international purchases are on Etsy. At one point I thought they absolved themselves of responsibility by saying they're merely a platform and don't get involved in actual sales, which is why they don't currently collect VAT on sales over the threshold to the UK, but maybe that's changed. If it makes bookkeeping more of a hassle I can still see some sellers just not allowing sales to the UK though

It may blow your mind but I'm fully versed on RMs customs procedure.
Customs SAMPLE RMs parcel traffic. So being over £15 is not a guarantee of an item being found  liable for customs.
You could of course do your own clearance if the £8 is too high for you.

Sorry, I didn't read your username last time! didn't twig it was you. My original comment meant the fee being the same regardless of value, not the total charge.

I understand why RM charge a fee but if a 99p object from China ended up costing an extra £8.20 in VAT and handling fees once the LVCR is abolished, especially when the same object is not available to buy from the UK, you can probably understand why I'd begrudge paying that £8.

At the moment I just try to buy under the threshold anyway, although I have had a 100% success rate at being hit with fees for a few packages that ended up being literally pennies over the threshold, due to exchange rate fluctuation between buying them and the item going through customs. (Bit annoying then that the handling fee is still over 50% of the item's value as well, but there we are.)

a 99p item from China wont cost you any Vat.
A sliding scale of clearance charge vs item value might seem fairer. However why does it cost more to clear and £200 item vs a £20 item?

Spoonie_Turtle

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

steveE2 said:

The Australian code "ABN #64 652 016 681 Code: PAID" needs to be added in the address as it shows the buyer has already paid the Goods and Services Tax (GST)
The code ebay is now adding to UK addresses is for their reference which they can apparently check with the carrier.

Interesting, I wonder if we'll get a similar thing when buying internationally from next year. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than paying Royal Mail £8 for the privilege of paying import VAT on every single parcel no matter the value.

Except you dont pay £8 regardless of value...........

I saw a post (from William Shatner of all people) that UK Gov is pushing collection of VAT onto international sellers so it must be changing.
He was maliginng he would remove sales to the UK from his store due to admin costs.

No, you pay the appropriate amount of VAT then £8 on top of that, as RM's handling fee. The current threshold is £15 so the £8 is annoying as heck, but worse if you then had to pay £8 + import VAT on something worth even less.

That's one thing I was afraid of, individual sellers finding it too much hassle to sell to the UK so we can no longer buy from them.

It’s already happening the other way round.  eBay and Etsy already automatically charge sales tax for any sales we make to USA, Australia and Norway.  I’m sure more will follow.  It’s made bookkeeping more of a pain that’s for sure!

Good to know Etsy and eBay will probably be doable, as most of my international purchases are on Etsy. At one point I thought they absolved themselves of responsibility by saying they're merely a platform and don't get involved in actual sales, which is why they don't currently collect VAT on sales over the threshold to the UK, but maybe that's changed. If it makes bookkeeping more of a hassle I can still see some sellers just not allowing sales to the UK though

It may blow your mind but I'm fully versed on RMs customs procedure.
Customs SAMPLE RMs parcel traffic. So being over £15 is not a guarantee of an item being found  liable for customs.
You could of course do your own clearance if the £8 is too high for you.

Sorry, I didn't read your username last time! didn't twig it was you. My original comment meant the fee being the same regardless of value, not the total charge.

I understand why RM charge a fee but if a 99p object from China ended up costing an extra £8.20 in VAT and handling fees once the LVCR is abolished, especially when the same object is not available to buy from the UK, you can probably understand why I'd begrudge paying that £8.

At the moment I just try to buy under the threshold anyway, although I have had a 100% success rate at being hit with fees for a few packages that ended up being literally pennies over the threshold, due to exchange rate fluctuation between buying them and the item going through customs. (Bit annoying then that the handling fee is still over 50% of the item's value as well, but there we are.)

a 99p item from China wont cost you any Vat.
A sliding scale of clearance charge vs item value might seem fairer. However why does it cost more to clear and £200 item vs a £20 item?

Not at the moment, no, but when the LVCR is abolished from what I can gather - which admittedly is not an awful lot because nobody seems to know for certain what exactly will be happening - everything coming in will be subject to import VAT no matter how low value, unless it's already been paid by the sender (or is zero-rated/exempt).

A sliding scale up to a certain point might be better, yes. They do say that a flat fee is fairest, but it just feels ridiculous when it's a large percentage of the cost of lower value items.

[I do also understand that import VAT amd customs duty is to level the field between things made in the UK and things made elsewhere, but when there are items that you cannot source from the UK it's frustrating. There is no field here to level in such instances.]

custardy

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

custardy said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

steveE2 said:

The Australian code "ABN #64 652 016 681 Code: PAID" needs to be added in the address as it shows the buyer has already paid the Goods and Services Tax (GST)
The code ebay is now adding to UK addresses is for their reference which they can apparently check with the carrier.

Interesting, I wonder if we'll get a similar thing when buying internationally from next year. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than paying Royal Mail £8 for the privilege of paying import VAT on every single parcel no matter the value.

Except you dont pay £8 regardless of value...........

I saw a post (from William Shatner of all people) that UK Gov is pushing collection of VAT onto international sellers so it must be changing.
He was maliginng he would remove sales to the UK from his store due to admin costs.

No, you pay the appropriate amount of VAT then £8 on top of that, as RM's handling fee. The current threshold is £15 so the £8 is annoying as heck, but worse if you then had to pay £8 + import VAT on something worth even less.

That's one thing I was afraid of, individual sellers finding it too much hassle to sell to the UK so we can no longer buy from them.

It’s already happening the other way round.  eBay and Etsy already automatically charge sales tax for any sales we make to USA, Australia and Norway.  I’m sure more will follow.  It’s made bookkeeping more of a pain that’s for sure!

Good to know Etsy and eBay will probably be doable, as most of my international purchases are on Etsy. At one point I thought they absolved themselves of responsibility by saying they're merely a platform and don't get involved in actual sales, which is why they don't currently collect VAT on sales over the threshold to the UK, but maybe that's changed. If it makes bookkeeping more of a hassle I can still see some sellers just not allowing sales to the UK though

It may blow your mind but I'm fully versed on RMs customs procedure.
Customs SAMPLE RMs parcel traffic. So being over £15 is not a guarantee of an item being found  liable for customs.
You could of course do your own clearance if the £8 is too high for you.

Sorry, I didn't read your username last time! didn't twig it was you. My original comment meant the fee being the same regardless of value, not the total charge.

I understand why RM charge a fee but if a 99p object from China ended up costing an extra £8.20 in VAT and handling fees once the LVCR is abolished, especially when the same object is not available to buy from the UK, you can probably understand why I'd begrudge paying that £8.

At the moment I just try to buy under the threshold anyway, although I have had a 100% success rate at being hit with fees for a few packages that ended up being literally pennies over the threshold, due to exchange rate fluctuation between buying them and the item going through customs. (Bit annoying then that the handling fee is still over 50% of the item's value as well, but there we are.)

a 99p item from China wont cost you any Vat.
A sliding scale of clearance charge vs item value might seem fairer. However why does it cost more to clear and £200 item vs a £20 item?

Not at the moment, no, but when the LVCR is abolished from what I can gather - which admittedly is not an awful lot because nobody seems to know for certain what exactly will be happening - everything coming in will be subject to import VAT no matter how low value, unless it's already been paid by the sender (or is zero-rated/exempt).

A sliding scale up to a certain point might be better, yes. They do say that a flat fee is fairest, but it just feels ridiculous when it's a large percentage of the cost of lower value items.

[I do also understand that import VAT amd customs duty is to level the field between things made in the UK and things made elsewhere, but when there are items that you cannot source from the UK it's frustrating. There is no field here to level in such instances.]

Gonna bet a lot more items we cant source in the UK soon im sure.