Ticket for entering car park and leaving - 6 minutes

zhonguonuren

If you haven’t found the landowner I probably can in a couple of days ?

thewire12

zhonguonuren said:

Are these photos any good?  If not I can get more.  I was going to buy a ticket but it was so time consuming and £5.00 for 1 - 2 hours so far out of town ?!  The rugby club is £6.00 all day til midnight.  

Maybe I will get a ticket via ANPR ... 🤣 

These are perfect! Thanks. Yep the prices are a rip off. Haha better not hang around.

APearson1995

zhonguonuren said:

If you haven’t found the landowner I probably can in a couple of days ?

That would be amazing! I tried contacting the previous land owner who directed me to the estate agent that dealt with the sale of the land however they had no information to share. 

Coupon-mad

What you need to know is NOT to pay this even if you lose at POPLA, because the current BPA Code of Practice section on grace periods is not fit for purpose and whoever got talked into writing it the way it is, should hang their heads in shame, IMHO. 

It is obvious to anyone that a pathetic FIVE MINUTES, timed from a camera at the entrance and exit is never going to be enough to include driving in, finding a space, parking, grabbing your belongings/kids, etc., locking the car, walking over to a sign (if you can see one) reading it, maybe looking for change in your wallet or reading the pay by phone options, realising that it's expensive, walking back to the car and then leaving. 

You have NOT entered into a contract in that time, in fact by your actions you've rejected it.

The BPA CoP was altered in Jan 2020 from 10 minutes to five and that is atrocious.  But POPLA will consider an appeal and you can say that it took x minutes to find a space, then x minutes to read that sign and decide to leave without entering into a contract.  Why not attach a screenshot of what the MHCLG new statutory (draft) Code suggests a consideration period should be?  Attach that Annex page as evidence. 

We want you to read it anyway, because ALL NEWBIES need to be heard and you only have 10 days:

PLEASE DO THIS TO CHANGE THE WAY THE PARKING INDUSTRY WORK:

CALLING ALL NEWBIES!   

An urgent task – deadline approaching in about ten days.  Please now make a real difference because not enough people have yet, and time is running out:

The Government is consulting for just a few more days, about a new statutory code of practice (CoP) and framework intended to rein in the rogue parking firms. 

Does it go far enough?  Read and comment on the draft CoP proposal and the enforcement framework consultation (two separate consultation documents).

HOW TO DO THE SUBMISSIONS:

BSI PAS 232 – COMMENTING ON THE CODE OF PRACTICE AS DRAFTED:

1.    You will need to register then log in, to comment on the CoP and enter an occupation even if you are retired or a homemaker.  

 

2.    Register, log into the BSI page, and download & read the cover letter here:

https://standardsdevelopment.bsigroup.com/projects/2020-00193#/section

 

3.    Read the cover letter again and note the suggested extra questions... if you agree that, say, the 'loading/unloading and dropping off, asking for directions, and disabled people parking on double yellows as they can on street' activities listed should be exempt (not parking events, what do you think?) then please go to the Annexes at the end of the PAS Code and find the one about Exempt Vehicles and state what other activity you think should be added to the exempt list. 

 

4.    Download the PAS itself and start commenting on what you wish to say something about.  Quick links to each section appear on the left of your page. 

 

You don’t have to comment on everything, e.g. you might want to skip the definitions and focus on later sections, and certainly look at the Annex tables at the end that show things like consideration & grace periods and exemptions.

 

5.    Submit comments when you are happy with them. Don’t just ‘SAVE’ and forget!

 

THAT IS HALF THE JOB DONE!

THE MHCLG CONSULTATION IS EASIER AS IT IS JUST A LIST OF QUESTIONS. 

 

6.    You can do it first if preferred or pushed for time:

https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=EGg0v32c3kOociSi7zmVqAVPfAOtwRxLhHRwQ610oElUMzhQSVo0WUQ4SERVSEZaUU9DTUhFQ1VMUy4u

If your answers exceed 4000 characters (approx. 500 words to a single question or 16000 words (approx. 2500 words) for all the questions below, you can email your answers to parking@communities.gov.uk as long as you state who you are.

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS YOU WILL SEE, FOR RESPONSES TO THE FRAMEWORK:

 

Q1 Do you agree or disagree that members of APAs should be required to use a single appeals service appointed by the Secretary of State?

Strongly agree/Somewhat agree/Neither agree nor disagree/Somewhat disagree/Strongly disagree

 

Q1.1 Please explain your answer

(free text)

 

 

Q2 Please provide any other feedback on the determination of appeals, including the funding model and features that an appeal service should offer e.g. telephone or in-person hearings, the ability to submit evidence online

(free text)

 

Q3 Please provide any comments you have on the proposal to enforce the Code by combining the ATA’s existing audit procedures with additional safeguards.

(free text)

 

Q4 Please outline any alternative means by which the Code could be monitored and enforced. You may wish to cite evidence from other regulatory frameworks which are relevant.

(free text)

 

Q5 Please provide any feedback you have on the proposed governance arrangements for monitoring the new Code of Practice

(free text)

 

Q6 Which parking charge system is most appropriate for private parking?

 a) the Three-tiered system

 b) Mirroring the Local Authority system

(free text)

 

 Q6.1 Please explain your answer. You may, for example, wish to make reference to other deterrent frameworks (for example, for railway tickets or traffic violations)

(free text)

 

 

Q7 What level of discount is appropriate:

40% as is currently offered in private parking and suggested in the three-tiered system, or

50% as is offered in Local Authority parking?

a) 40%

b) 50%

 

Q7.1 Please explain your answer, including whether the discount should be set at a different level

(free text)

 

 

 Q8 How should the level of parking charges be set and how should the levels be revised in future?

(free text)

 

 

Q9 Do you agree or disagree in principle with the idea of the Appeals Charter?

Agree/Disagree

 

Q9.1 Please explain your answer

(free text)

 

 

Q10 Do you agree or not that the examples given in the Appeals Charter are fair and appropriate? Agree/Disagree

 

Q10.1 Please explain your answer.

You may wish, for example, to suggest additional cases to be covered in an Appeals Charter or query existing examples.

(free text)

 

Q11 Do you agree or disagree that the parking industry should contribute towards the cost of the regulation?

Agree/Disagree

 

Q11.1 Please explain your answer.

(free text)

 

YOU CAN INSTEAD GIVE MORE CONCISE ANSWERS ONLINE, USING THE MHCLG PAGE LINK.

Don’t forget that answering these questions is the easier bit…

Looking at the BSI PAS (the draft code of practice itself) involves logging in and submitting comments again, and again and again and takes more time!  CONSIDERATION PERIODS ARE IN ONE OF THE ANNEXES.

 

zhonguonuren

APearson1995 said:

zhonguonuren said:

If you haven’t found the landowner I probably can in a couple of days ?

That would be amazing! I tried contacting the previous land owner who directed me to the estate agent that dealt with the sale of the land however they had no information to share. 

To say I am intrigued is an understatement!  

See attached.  The post code is incorrect.  There was a planning application in 2014 by Mr Fox who appears in a second application last year with a director from St Ives Bus Company. 

However, for your purposes the person to contact is Havana House Hucknall Ltd. The only director’s address is listed on Companies House for all to see and I would write to that rather than the Enterprise (let’s look legitimate.com) Centre.   

zhonguonuren

zhonguonuren

and the financial status of the company 🤔 

zhonguonuren

To be clear it’s Andrew McGivern who is listed as the only shareholder of Havana House Hucknall Ltd so he is the person to contact.  

Coupon-mad

Very in-depth advice there, nicely done!

APearson1995

zhonguonuren said:

To be clear it’s Andrew McGivern who is listed as the only shareholder of Havana House Hucknall Ltd so he is the person to contact.  

Amazing! Thank you for the detective work. I will write a letter asking for the charge to be cancelled. I will let you guys know if i get any response. Thanks!