CEL County Court Defence

Umkomaas

The only presence CEL have in Liverpool is their mail drop box. Do a Google search on their Liverpool address. They're no nearer to Liverpool than Nottingham, Newcastle on Tyne, or Berwick on Tweed. 

But I see a bit of a dog's breakfast coming up!

Coupon-mad

Wait wait wait, you need to URGENTLY RESPOND TO THE ORDER to the COURT THAT SENT IT, telling them this is an error in allocation and as you are a litigant in person this is a case that should be allocated to your choice of court, which is and remains Berwick-on-Tweed (and say why).

Redx

As above , I would do both , but you should not ignore a court order , so write to the allocated court asking for it to be transferred back to Berwick upon Tweed , but speak to Berwick in case Newcastle or Durham etc are dealing with cases

CEL are not in Liverpool , just that P O box , a rent a postal mailbox only , not an office

SportHorse

Thank you all, I have emailed Nottingham CC which issued the transfer and Liverpool CC where the claim has been sent to.
Also emailed CEL requesting SAR again within the next 7 days.
Feels like I am the only one following the rules here!

SportHorse

Finally received SAR from CEL, Their covering letter offers a full and final settlement of £150.  Has anyone ever counter offered and been accepted.  I am thinking of £100 which was the original fine.  I know it's defeatist  but I don't have any defence for my son overstaying his welcome at the KFC. I started this challenge because of the legal and admin fees the added to the figure they were pursuing, £261.77. However if they are now offering to settle at £150 would it be worth haggling? 

Claim has now been transferred back to Newcastle, presumably the closest court of Scotland!

Le_Kirk

It's hardly an offer worth considering; you can, of course, go back with a counter offer and you can go back and forth with offer and counter offer until a judge decides!

Umkomaas

If you jump through all the hurdles put in your way by CEL, they have a habit of withdrawing. You have to go right up to the wire in most cases, and, as in any game of poker, you have to be ready for a last turn of the hand coming from your opponent - with better cards. 

SportHorse

Umkomaas said:

If you jump through all the hurdles put in your way by CEL, they have a habit of withdrawing. You have to go right up to the wire in most cases, and, as in any game of poker, you have to be ready for a last turn of the hand coming from your opponent - with better cards. 
That is my problem, I don't have any cards!  No defence for overstaying.  I keep hoping CEL will withdraw, but I'm at  waiting for a court date stage and then will have to submit  a defence and as most hearings are being conducted on the telephone, unless CEL don't pick up I'm going to have to start talking!

SportHorse

Le_Kirk said:

It's hardly an offer worth considering; you can, of course, go back with a counter offer and you can go back and forth with offer and counter offer until a judge decides!

I just wondered if anyone had a counter offer accepted by CEL and if a counter offer from me is seen as accepting fault if it does end up infront of a judge?

KeithP

SportHorse said:

Umkomaas said:

If you jump through all the hurdles put in your way by CEL, they have a habit of withdrawing. You have to go right up to the wire in most cases, and, as in any game of poker, you have to be ready for a last turn of the hand coming from your opponent - with better cards. 

That is my problem, I don't have any cards!  No defence for overstaying.  I keep hoping CEL will withdraw, but I'm at  waiting for a court date stage and then will have to submit  a defence and as most hearings are being conducted on the telephone, unless CEL don't pick up I'm going to have to start talking!

As Umkomaas says, it's all bluff and counter-bluff with CEL.

Their usual MO is to discontinue in the days before any hearing, therefore you won't even 'have to start talking'. 

You are showing yourself to be exactly the type of victim they like. One who doubts himself to such an extent that they pay before any court case is heard.

Stay strong.