Dacia cars - any good?

williamgriffin

Grumpy_chap said:

I thought the Prius is a full hybrid.  You can actually drive it in all electric mode

Is the all electric drive limited? The Lexus ct can only be driven in all electric mode up to 20 mph and only when it decides there is enough charge to do so. 

Grumpy_chap

Yes, hybrid.  Not an electric car.

Korkyb

I believe that Dacia Logans are widely used as taxi's.

That must be an indicator of "something" ??

203846930

Korkyb said:

I believe that Dacia Logans are widely used as taxi's.

That must be an indicator of "something" ??

Yes, one of my main guides to getting one was by speaking to a taxi driver that had one, another guide was speaking to an AA guy who had yet to be called out to a Dacia for anything more than a puncture.

Mickey666

Grumpy_chap said:

DoaM said:

https://www.kia.com/uk/kia-eco-cars/what-is-a-mild-hybrid/

That probably explains it as well as anything. A mild hybrid is basically Stop/Start+

Thank you, but "mild hybrid" seems a bit pointless.  I mean, it just seems to mean it is a car and they have worked the word "hybrid" in as a marketing gimmick.

Marketing gimmick?  The car industry?  Surely not

The car industry is built on marketing gimmicks!  Remember when 'Turbo' was all the rage (and even spilled over into 'turbo' washing  powders and 'turbo' vacuum cleaners etc)?, not to mention the price-hike for anything with a 'GTi' badge

mgfvvc

Ganga said:

Thanks everyone for taking the time and trouble to reply, had thought about maybe a two/three year old car to keep the budget down but then what about reliability, problems etc.

Most modern cars won't have significant reliability problems for many years if you buy them used at 2 or 3 years old. My Ford is almost nine years old. In the last 6 years I've had to deal with a dead battery, a broken fan belt and pothole damage to wheels. A new car might have done better or it could easily have been worse. I expect to keep it for several more years and I have no concerns about it's reliability.
The main thing is to avoid diesel, if you are only doing 2500 miles a year. Doing that mileage, a higher mileage 3 year old petrol car will be good value and will last as long as you like while depreciating less than a new year.

Goudy

Grumpy_chap said:

DoaM said:

https://www.kia.com/uk/kia-eco-cars/what-is-a-mild-hybrid/

That probably explains it as well as anything. A mild hybrid is basically Stop/Start+

Thank you, but "mild hybrid" seems a bit pointless.  I mean, it just seems to mean it is a car and they have worked the word "hybrid" in as a marketing gimmick.

Not quite.
Mild hybrids (particuarly Suzuki's) tend to use a motor/generator attached to the crankshaft.
On the over run/braking it'll harvest energy (generator) and store it in a battery.
Put you foot down and it'll power the crankshaft (motor) to aid the combustion engine.

Under stop start conditions it will use the motor/generator to restart the engine, it's a lot quicker and smooth than a normal starter motor and as it's now using free engery, you're not loading the engine to continually recharge the starter battery.

It obviously isn't powerful enough to power the car on it's own, apart from anything else it would need to turn the dead engine around before it turns the gearbox/wheels.

The main advantage of a mild hybrid is to aid the combustion engine when it's least efficient. This tends to be when pulling away and accelerating up to speed. Then the harvested, free power helps turn the engine so reduces the load on it which reduces fuel consumption and emissions.

If it was a gimmick, Lewis Hamilton and the rest of the F1 grid have done pretty well out of it as this motor/generator setup is now part of the F1 cars drivechain.
They use a similar motor/generator attached to the crank, this is the mechanical part of the system or the MGU-K.

They also use a heat based system or MGU-H, this is affectively a hybrid turbo or eTurbo.
Excess energy from the spin of the turbo shaft is harvested when the brakes are applied (or the throttle is released, though in F1 this happens at same time), so there's another motor/generator on the turbo shaft.
As the exhaust gasses will continue to spin the turbo with no demand from the combustion engine this energy is collected and stored in a battery.
The energy can be used to power the motor part of the MGU-K but some will also be used to spin up the turbo to eliminate turbo lag which also makes the engine more efficent (or in F1's case, powerful).

The thing about this system is it's open technology, it's not licensed like Toyota/Lexus Synergy Drive system which works in a different way. 

Ganga

Goudy said:

Grumpy_chap said:

DoaM said:

https://www.kia.com/uk/kia-eco-cars/what-is-a-mild-hybrid/

That probably explains it as well as anything. A mild hybrid is basically Stop/Start+

Thank you, but "mild hybrid" seems a bit pointless.  I mean, it just seems to mean it is a car and they have worked the word "hybrid" in as a marketing gimmick.

Not quite.
Mild hybrids (particuarly Suzuki's) tend to use a motor/generator attached to the crankshaft.
On the over run/braking it'll harvest energy (generator) and store it in a battery.
Put you foot down and it'll power the crankshaft (motor) to aid the combustion engine.

Under stop start conditions it will use the motor/generator to restart the engine, it's a lot quicker and smooth than a normal starter motor and as it's now using free engery, you're not loading the engine to continually recharge the starter battery.

It obviously isn't powerful enough to power the car on it's own, apart from anything else it would need to turn the dead engine around before it turns the gearbox/wheels.

The main advantage of a mild hybrid is to aid the combustion engine when it's least efficient. This tends to be when pulling away and accelerating up to speed. Then the harvested, free power helps turn the engine so reduces the load on it which reduces fuel consumption and emissions.

If it was a gimmick, Lewis Hamilton and the rest of the F1 grid have done pretty well out of it as this motor/generator setup is now part of the F1 cars drivechain.
They use a similar motor/generator attached to the crank, this is the mechanical part of the system or the MGU-K.

They also use a heat based system or MGU-H, this is affectively a hybrid turbo or eTurbo.
Excess energy from the spin of the turbo shaft is harvested when the brakes are applied (or the throttle is released, though in F1 this happens at same time), so there's another motor/generator on the turbo shaft.
As the exhaust gasses will continue to spin the turbo with no demand from the combustion engine this energy is collected and stored in a battery.
The energy can be used to power the motor part of the MGU-K but some will also be used to spin up the turbo to eliminate turbo lag which also makes the engine more efficent (or in F1's case, powerful).

The thing about this system is it's open technology, it's not licensed like Toyota/Lexus Synergy Drive system which works in a different way. 

As if cars were not complicated enough , if they carry on like this even backstreet garages will struggle to maintain modern cars.
Mind they were saying this when ABS , Aircon etc came on line .

consumers_revenge

Have one, the mid range sandero. No problems and theres tons of them on the roads now.

Ganga

consumers_revenge said:

Have one, the mid range sandero. No problems and theres tons of them on the roads now.

Have noticed quite a few about since i first posted this thread ,seen an old couple pull into the carpark of our local Sainsburys and asked them what they thought of their car ,replied that it was exactly what they thought it would be ,all right not super luxury but then it was not super price.