BlackCircles tyres... fitted service

Biggus_Dickus

AdrianC said:

Takmon said:

AdrianC said:

Takmon said:
They aren't some generic Chinese brand.

Yes, they are. They are precisely that.

http://www.tanvic.co.uk/tyre-brands/landsail-tyres.php
http://www.senturytire.com/about.php
https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=landsail

They're almost certainly no more than a few quid cheaper than decent tyres off companies like Uniroyal, Avon or Vredestein.

...The tyre brands you have mentioned would be atleast £55 more per tyre (which is almost double) for what i pay for Landsail fitted.

That I very much doubt. Show your working!

Let's take a fairly typical size, which is in Landsail's seemingly limited range.
205/55 16, LS388

Halfords charge £42 fitted.
https://www.halfords.com/tyres/landsail/ls388-ls388.html
...or £46 for Avons.
https://www.halfords.com/tyres/avon/zt5-zt5.html

Camskill charge £41 plus delivery plus fitting.
https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s291p182135/

A random local tyre place want £84 each...
https://www.hartlepooltyres.co.uk/TyreSearch/Details/32033/Landsail+LS388+20555R16
...while another want £45 each...
https://www.hlrtyres.co.uk/tyres/176962/tyre-landsail-ls388-20555r16-91-w

Oponeo are out of stock, but suggest £38 "Imperial" as a similar alternative.
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre/landsail-ls388-205-55-r16-91-v
...or £46 for Avons.
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre/avon-zv7-205-55-r16-91-v#311961522

https://www.blackcircles.com/order/tyres/search?width=205&profile=55&rim=16
Blackcircles don't sell Landsail.
But Avons are £54 each.
The cheapest, nastiest, no-names are £43. Rotalla are £50. Taurus are £52.
Even Michelin are only £73...

eTyres have Royal at £39, Autogrip at £41, Comforser at £42, Kormoran at £49, Duroturn at £50... and Avon at £57. 
https://www.etyres.co.uk/205-55-16

That's a size where Vrede and Uniroyal are actually fairly expensive - they're normally down there at the Avon price point, not much above the off-brand teflon-concrete-cheese mixes - including Landsail.

...you missed out treacle. 

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Biggus_Dickus said:

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Biggus_Dickus said:

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Years ago the budget brands tended to be Eastern European and many were absolutely appalling. Perhaps my deep-seated  aversion to ‘budget’ tyres stems from those days.

Good tyres are obviously fundamental to a cars ‘safe’ handling etc and I just can’t bring  myself to fitting anything other than branded quality tyres;...maybe I’m just too ‘old school’.

Next time you are checking the tread and pressures, have a look on the sidewall at where your quality branded tyres were made

It may surprise you but I already know that information : Goodyear tyres, made in Germany.
Goodyear's British manufacturing plant closed about 10 years ago I think.

Goodyear are often made in Poland. To the exact same spec as everywhere else, same as Michelin are made in East Europe and Asia (to identical specs) Bridgestone (own Firestone) make tyres in Japan, and all over the World, to the exact same spec.

My Japanese car was built in England, to the exact same standards as in Japan like my last Honda was made in Spain to the exact same standards as Japan

I won't touch another Japanese car or 'bike unless the VIN starts with a J after those two

onlyfoolsandparking

I use £20 part worns on car where It's luck of the draw, had a couple of decent Michelins out of the lucky dip box recently but I haven't noticed any radical difference in handling/braking (mind you we are talking about a 'soppy as a sack' Citroen here) between the Michelins or the budget brands etc whereas My bike gets treated to Bridgestone s22,s or If IOM is on next year Bridgestone RS11's unbelievable grip!!!

As someone on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

Biggus_Dickus

onlyfoolsandparking said:

I use £20 part worns on car where It's luck of the draw, had a couple of decent Michelins out of the lucky dip box recently but I haven't noticed any radical difference in handling/braking (mind you we are talking about a 'soppy as a sack' Citroen here) between the Michelins or the budget brands etc whereas My bike gets treated to Bridgestone s22,s or If IOM is on next year Bridgestone RS11's unbelievable grip!!!

As someone on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

What is a lucky dip box?

onlyfoolsandparking

Biggus_Dickus said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

I use £20 part worns on car where It's luck of the draw, had a couple of decent Michelins out of the lucky dip box recently but I haven't noticed any radical difference in handling/braking (mind you we are talking about a 'soppy as a sack' Citroen here) between the Michelins or the budget brands etc whereas My bike gets treated to Bridgestone s22,s or If IOM is on next year Bridgestone RS11's unbelievable grip!!!

As someone on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

What is a lucky dip box?

Whatever part worns my tyre pal has in at the time. He gets a lot from Germany where tyres are replaced when they get down to 6mm (I think) he did tell me the reason why part worns are not as bad as people think and the '6mm' German tyre rules once but I can't remember exactly what he said so if people want to dispute that assertion, well crack on. All I know is i get cheap decent life left tyres off him AND drink all his coffee whilst he's changing them  

AdrianC

onlyfoolsandparking said:

I use £20 part worns
...
As someone on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

Properly marked part-worns? With the words "PART-WORN" indelibly and permanently marked in a sidewall, in letters at least 4mm high?


Because if they're breaking the law on that, are they also breaking the law on properly inspecting them to check for damage...?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/3117/regulation/7/made

onlyfoolsandparking

AdrianC said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

I use £20 part worns
...
As someone on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

Properly marked part-worns? With the words "PART-WORN" indelibly and permanently marked in a sidewall, in letters at least 4mm high?


Because if they're breaking the law on that, are they also breaking the law on properly inspecting them to check for damage...?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/3117/regulation/7/made

You need to get out more, I've never been 'done' for an illegal tyre so as I said 'crack on' 

Biggus_Dickus

onlyfoolsandparking said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

I use £20 part worns on car where It's luck of the draw, had a couple of decent Michelins out of the lucky dip box recently but I haven't noticed any radical difference in handling/braking (mind you we are talking about a 'soppy as a sack' Citroen here) between the Michelins or the budget brands etc whereas My bike gets treated to Bridgestone s22,s or If IOM is on next year Bridgestone RS11's unbelievable grip!!!

As someone on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

What is a lucky dip box?

Whatever part worns my tyre pal has in at the time. He gets a lot from Germany where tyres are replaced when they get down to 6mm (I think) he did tell me the reason why part worns are not as bad as people think and the '6mm' German tyre rules once but I can't remember exactly what he said so if people want to dispute that assertion, well crack on. All I know is i get cheap decent life left tyres off him AND drink all his coffee whilst he's changing them  

Fair do’s;..I’m not able to dispute anything btw coz I know absolutely nothing about bikes. I’ve only been a passenger on a bike once.

Decades ago an old mate of mine gave me a lift home from the pub very late one Sunday night on his pride and joy..a Kawasaki 750 2-stroke.

The journey was exactly 1-mile between two sets of traffic lights along a wide, flat 30mph A-road. I was expecting a sedate run at 30’ish mph;...my chauffeur had other ideas though.

When the lights changed he set off at full tilt and carried on accelerating as hard as he could, for as long as he could, until he needed to start braking a mile down the road.

Even though I was well oiled from the pub I was absolutely terrified...no passenger crash helmet in those days;...we must have been doing 100mph by the time he started braking.

I do remember that when he started braking (hard!) we came to a halt fairly quickly so I assume he wasn’t  on budget tyres!

onlyfoolsandparking

Biggus_Dickus said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

Biggus_Dickus said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

I use £20 part worns on car where It's luck of the draw, had a couple of decent Michelins out of the lucky dip box recently but I haven't noticed any radical difference in handling/braking (mind you we are talking about a 'soppy as a sack' Citroen here) between the Michelins or the budget brands etc whereas My bike gets treated to Bridgestone s22,s or If IOM is on next year Bridgestone RS11's unbelievable grip!!!

As someone on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

What is a lucky dip box?

Whatever part worns my tyre pal has in at the time. He gets a lot from Germany where tyres are replaced when they get down to 6mm (I think) he did tell me the reason why part worns are not as bad as people think and the '6mm' German tyre rules once but I can't remember exactly what he said so if people want to dispute that assertion, well crack on. All I know is i get cheap decent life left tyres off him AND drink all his coffee whilst he's changing them  

Fair do’s;..I’m not able to dispute anything btw coz I know absolutely nothing about bikes. I’ve only been a passenger on a bike once.

Decades ago an old mate of mine gave me a lift home from the pub very late one Sunday night on his pride and joy..a Kawasaki 750 2-stroke.

The journey was exactly 1-mile between two sets of traffic lights along a wide, flat 30mph A-road. I was expecting a sedate run at 30’ish mph;...my chauffeur had other ideas though.

When the lights changed he set off at full tilt and carried on accelerating as hard as he could, for as long as he could, until he needed to start braking a mile down the road.

Even though I was well oiled from the pub I was absolutely terrified...no passenger crash helmet in those days;...we must have been doing 100mph by the time he started braking.

I do remember that when he started braking (hard!) we came to a halt fairly quickly so I assume he wasn’t  on budget tyres!

Not much fun to be fair being a pillion, I've never liked it and no crash helmet either, your a brave soul lol.

Regarding the tyres, he probably does them me at cost or near cost as he's a good mate and we've done each other favours for years. He does of course sell all the top brand new tyres and I must admit there is nothing quite like a brand new tyre, the look of it, the smell etc but 'it's just not worth it on my car, if I put 4 brand new tyres on my Citroen it would double the value of the car lol.


Bike is different matter of course, nobody in their right mind would imo would put budget tyres on a missile!! and although I'm sure people who drive cars like M5's, 911's, RS4's etc can tell the difference in handling between budget and top spec tyres I can't on my car but definitely can on my bike. 

AdrianC

onlyfoolsandparking said:

AdrianC said:

onlyfoolsandparking said:

I use £20 part worns
...
As someone on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

Properly marked part-worns? With the words "PART-WORN" indelibly and permanently marked in a sidewall, in letters at least 4mm high?


Because if they're breaking the law on that, are they also breaking the law on properly inspecting them to check for damage...?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1994/3117/regulation/7/made

You need to get out more, I've never been 'done' for an illegal tyre so as I said 'crack on' 

Should we take that as "Oh. Yes, you're right - it turns out the supplier's broken the law"?