Being pushed out. What to do?

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sebtomato said:

Thrugelmir said:

sebtomato said:

I work for a very large and very profitable company. 

Since lock down begun the world has changed. Even profitable companies have under performing divisions. Local management comes under pressure. Then reverberates down the chain. 

Probably applicable to most companies indeed. However, my global company hasn't been affected by the various lockdowns and is still doing extremely well financially. My work hasn't been affected by the lockdown either.

there have been very few companies that are unaffected by covid 19.  amazon, the pizza takeaways, but everyone else has been affected.  i would think your company would have been affected or even if they didn't they would still be doing a review of their business in anticipation of hard times.

Dox

sebtomato said:

Well, in my career, I have worked for quite a few internal large companies (all within the top 10 in the world by market cap).

My current company doesn't give more detailed employment references than just the job title and dates. Many companies do the same name, to avoid liability.

This is rather wishful thinking on your part. Written references are one thing; do you really not understand how many quiet, 'never took place' telephone calls happen to get a rather more detailed reference?

The idea that someone claiming constructive dismissal is going to create a huge stir in the industry/amongst colleagues is an absolute nonsense unless that person is particularly high profile. In large companies, by the law of averages, these things are going to happen pretty regularly. 

Large companies are not going to risk some negative reputation just to save a few thousands pounds, particularly when they believe they were possibly partially at fault.

Happens the whole time!

Thrugelmir

sebtomato said:

Thrugelmir said:

sebtomato said:

I work for a very large and very profitable company. 

Since lock down begun the world has changed. Even profitable companies have under performing divisions. Local management comes under pressure. Then reverberates down the chain. 

Probably applicable to most companies indeed. However, my global company hasn't been affected by the various lockdowns and is still doing extremely well financially. My work hasn't been affected by the lockdown either.

Unless you work in a senior role in finance (for example) I'd challenge that assertion. Majority of employees really have no idea as to what is going on internally within their organisation. There's a whole range of things that can cause distress or be the cause of restructure. Companies don't undertake major upheaval without good reason. There'll be a trigger. 

Brynsam

sebtomato said:

Thrugelmir said:

sebtomato said:

I work for a very large and very profitable company. 

Since lock down begun the world has changed. Even profitable companies have under performing divisions. Local management comes under pressure. Then reverberates down the chain. 

Probably applicable to most companies indeed. However, my global company hasn't been affected by the various lockdowns 

Of course it has - ALL companies have, in one way or another.

getmore4less

If this has all changed with a new person in the chain of command you need to establish the new pecking order.

Why was this person brought in and what are they there to do, they will have goals and objectives that may be different to the old ones. 
Did someone get replaced, did they leave get fired, retire moved sideways etc.

Who is the stakeholder, higher up the chain, has the bosses boss implemented this are they getting driven higher up.
There is no prospect of changing line manager, I have asked his management. Their answer was: "make it work"
You seem to have got the negative response going up the chain but is it them driving this or are they just middle men being driven from higher up either way they don't have your back so look elsewhere.

Once you understand why and who you can take steps to address the problem.
The stakeholder needs to know that you are worth your remuneration and the steps being taken will hit their key measures in some way that is not what was intended.

It could be something like customer satisfaction, you need the people at the higher level in the customer base to be talking to the stakeholder that is driving the changes, sometimes this can be done by taking on a dissatisfied customer that the stakeholder has an interest in and fixing the problems.

At peer level no good what they think you need their bosses at the same level as your  stakeholder to know your name.
internally any stakeholder high up that would be impacted by you leaving or changing position needs to be onside.
if moving internally is an option you don't have to wait for vacancies you use your network to actively enquire about any opportunities,

Is this just you or are there others getting targeted?

Brynsam

Or it could be that the new manager can't cope with someone whose views appear to be somewhat inflexible and dogmatic. Looking at OP's posts, virtually anything suggested has been rebutted, usually with sweeping (and invalid) generalisations. Sounds like a personality clash, so moving on is the only way forward.

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Mr_Maths said:

Resign and move on. I too was considered an outstanding employee for several years before my manager left and his replacement clearly never wanted me there. I was made redundant officially due to the coronavirus, but it's obvious to me they wanted me out and used it as an excuse. At first I was pleading my case, but soon realised there was no point particularly as I'd been unhappy there for such a long time. It also became apparent there was no way I could prove what their true intentions were.

Whether its a job or something else in your life, I believe it's better to move on before you think it's time than stay in that situation for too long. If anything it's because you never know when things will go from great to terrible and it can happen pretty instantly like it sounds it has for you. I know you can't do anything about that fact now, but something to consider in the future. 

this is very true.  happened to me as well.  i went along with it until they made me redundant.  i wasn't the only person who was made redundant though.  a few of us were made redundant in the department, but it was clear that the job still existed so they offered me a very generous redundancy package to keep me quiet.

i scored anyway as i was already looking to leave but had not yet found another job.

montyrebel

are you complaining that you arent getting as big a bonus as last year?

all bonus payments are discretionary

mark55man

don't resign and move on - tell them if they don't want you then they need to let you go with a package, then negotiate the package (you are obviously good at this stuff!)

if you can live without the salary you can certainly live with base salary and no bonus.  yes this can be a trap in that neither side gives way, but at least in a year the employment picture will be clearer 

organisations are triangles only a few people make it to the top, everyone else either pops out the sides or reaches a level somewhere in the middle.  if you can bear to stand still for a year or 2 you might find different enjoyments and keep your hand in the game. 

plus who knows what could happen, you could get headhunted

sebtomato

mark55man said:

don't resign and move on - tell them if they don't want you then they need to let you go with a package, then negotiate the package (you are obviously good at this stuff!)

if you can live without the salary you can certainly live with base salary and no bonus.  yes this can be a trap in that neither side gives way, but at least in a year the employment picture will be clearer 

organisations are triangles only a few people make it to the top, everyone else either pops out the sides or reaches a level somewhere in the middle.  if you can bear to stand still for a year or 2 you might find different enjoyments and keep your hand in the game. 

plus who knows what could happen, you could get headhunted

I agree: being dismissed would be better, but I can't be bothered to go through that stress for the next 6 months.
I have therefore resigned and going after them for constructive dismissal (when the employer is pushing someone to resign). A breach of trust and confidence can be sufficient, as opposed to some breach of employment contract.
They were very quick to offer an average settlement, but it can be improved. My employment lawyer thinks there are some strong indications of being pushed out, and therefore they would settle well before it goes to employment tribunal.