Speeding fine on expired licence

Malibu1209

86 on a 70. So I was well over limit and obviously in the wrong. 

AdrianC

Malibu1209 said:

86 on a 70. So I was well over limit and obviously in the wrong. 

You may well be offered a course - you're right at the top end, but you're in there. If not, it's well within FPN territory.

TooManyPoints

Yes you should be offered a course for that speed provided the offence was not in Scotland.

Car_54

TooManyPoints said:

Yes you should be offered a course for that speed provided the offence was not in Scotland.

And provided he/she hasn't done the same course in the previous three years.

Malibu1209

No not in Scotland, it was in Essex. And no never had any previous points/fines or anything.

Malibu1209

Thanks for all your advice.
fine came in today, £100 and three points, too fast for speed awareness course.
Would the expired photo card at the time of the offence be something that could still be picked up at this point?

TooManyPoints

Actually it's not. The National Police Chiefs' Council's guidelines says that courses may be offered up to and including (Limit + 10% + 9mph), so 86mph in a 70 mph limit. The only restriction is that you can only do one course of the same type (there are three) within three years, the offence dates being used calculate that period. Paragraph 9.6 of this document explains:

https://www.npcc.police.uk/2018%20FOI/Operations/030%2018%20Speed%20Enforcement%20Guidance.pdf

It is dated 2015 but it hasn't changed. Offering of a course is entirely at the discretion of the police but it might be worth a phone call to ask why the guidelines were not followed in your case.

Malibu1209

It just said on the letter I was going too fast to be offered it. To be honest I think the fine and points is better for me as managing childcare and taking time off college for me to go to a course would be a nightmare 

George_Michael

TooManyPoints said:

Actually it's not. The National Police Chiefs' Council's guidelines says that courses may be offered up to and including (Limit + 10% + 9mph), so 86mph in a 70 mph limit. 

Some forces seem to have a lower limit and if the figures quoted here:
https://www.balgores.com/speed-awareness-course/
&
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=34
are still used, Essex police only offer courses for speed exceedances of up to 10% + 5mph which for a 70 limit would be 82mph and the OP was doing 86mph.

TooManyPoints

The courses are held on line at the moment. I can only tell you the guidance. If it was me I'd make a phone call.