Partner desperate to go abroad ...

ginger_chocolate

happyandcontented said:

I didn't take that from the post. Simply, that the risks deemed to be too high don't seem to have any logic behind them.

Thanks. I did have to re-read my post to make sure I hadn't said something that wasn't intended! (incidentally I'm not actually planning to go on holiday myself for another few months at least - I just think that the advice about what is supposedly "safe" and what is "dangerous" is skewed).

Pollycat

ginger_chocolate said:

Pollycat said:

10 days on from the original post, Malta is no longer on the UK exempted list wef 04:00 tomorrow so 14 days quarantine will be necessary on return to the UK.

France and The Netherlands have also been removed, plus Monaco, Turks and Caicos, and Aruba.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53

I find this completely baffling. I can catch a packed train to London, go to the gym, a restaurant, shopping on Oxford Street, followed by a pub crawl with strangers, then come back home and go to work in an office. Yet if I drive to France for a self-catering holiday in the countryside with othe rmembers of my household I have to quarantine when I get back because apparently that's dangerous? Part of me wonders if this isn't just a way to encourage people to holiday in the UK to boost the economy rather than an actual COVID prevention measure (not that I have a problem with holidaying in the UK, but the whole thing doesn't seem to have a great deal of logic behind it).

Don't shoot the messenger. 
I don't make the rules and decisions.

Ganga

The problem is other people will go to France and mingle with people WHO might have been in contact or be carriers of covid due to the high level in that country ,unfortunately everybody has to be treated with the same rules.In life its always the few who make things worse for the majority.

ginger_chocolate

Don't shoot the messenger. 
I don't make the rules and decisions.

Erm - I didn't say you did? I wrote a post expressing that I thought the rules were inconsistent. You then asked me if I thought my (hypothetical) holiday was more important than other people's health. I said no, of course it wasn't, and re-iterated my thoughts that the rules are inconsistent and unhelpful. I'm not sure I shot the messenger - I just clarified my position. I think we may be at cross purposes here.

ginger_chocolate

Ganga said:

The problem is other people will go to France and mingle with people WHO might have been in contact or be carriers of covid due to the high level in that country ,unfortunately everybody has to be treated with the same rules.In life its always the few who make things worse for the majority.

My issue is how is returning from France intrinsically any more dangerous than a lot of the things we are currently allowed to do? 
If a self-drive trip to Europe in self-catering accommodation is risky enough to merit quarantine (and, OK, maybe it is), then a typical party break in London is definitely no safer and you should have to quarantine after that too. The driving factor seems to be getting people to spend money within UK borders. And maybe that's a laudable aim - I just wish there was some honesty about it.

Pollycat

ginger_chocolate said:

Don't shoot the messenger. 
I don't make the rules and decisions.

Erm - I didn't say you did? I wrote a post expressing that I thought the rules were inconsistent. You then asked me if I thought my (hypothetical) holiday was more important than other people's health. I said no, of course it wasn't, and re-iterated my thoughts that the rules are inconsistent and unhelpful. I'm not sure I shot the messenger - I just clarified my position. I think we may be at cross purposes here.

I think you are certainly talking at cross purposes.
You obviously missed this  smiley.
Here it is again. 
Didn't that show that my comment wasn't serious?

I most certainly did not ask  you if you thought your (hypothetical) holiday was more important than other people's health. 
If you're going to have a go, please ensure that you are attributing comments that you've taken exception to to the correct poster.
That poster wasn't me.

Thrugelmir

ginger_chocolate said:

Thrugelmir said:

ginger_chocolate said:

Pollycat said:

10 days on from the original post, Malta is no longer on the UK exempted list wef 04:00 tomorrow so 14 days quarantine will be necessary on return to the UK.

France and The Netherlands have also been removed, plus Monaco, Turks and Caicos, and Aruba.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53

I find this completely baffling. 

Seriously? Your holiday is more important than other peoples future health and the opening up of the wider economy (as far as it is possible). 

Not remotely. That's not what I said at all. Did you read the whole post?

I did. The UK can only control matters within it's own borders. Elsewhere identified cases are increasing at a concerning rate. Likewise French ICU admissions are on an upward trend. Who knows what the winter is going to bring either. Lots of questions but nobody has the answers. Only people themselves can minimise the risk. 

ginger_chocolate

Pollycat said:

ginger_chocolate said:

Don't shoot the messenger. 
I don't make the rules and decisions.

Erm - I didn't say you did? I wrote a post expressing that I thought the rules were inconsistent. You then asked me if I thought my (hypothetical) holiday was more important than other people's health. I said no, of course it wasn't, and re-iterated my thoughts that the rules are inconsistent and unhelpful. I'm not sure I shot the messenger - I just clarified my position. I think we may be at cross purposes here.

I think you are certainly talking at cross purposes.
You obviously missed this  smiley.
Here it is again. 
Didn't that show that my comment wasn't serious?

I most certainly did not ask  you if you thought your (hypothetical) holiday was more important than other people's health. 
If you're going to have a go, please ensure that you are attributing comments that you've taken exception to to the correct poster.
That poster wasn't me.

I apologise - I did attribute that comment to the wrong poster. I'm very sorry. (although to be fair I wasn't 'having a go' at anyone- just expressing confusion)

ginger_chocolate

Thrugelmir said:

ginger_chocolate said:

Thrugelmir said:

ginger_chocolate said:

Pollycat said:

10 days on from the original post, Malta is no longer on the UK exempted list wef 04:00 tomorrow so 14 days quarantine will be necessary on return to the UK.

France and The Netherlands have also been removed, plus Monaco, Turks and Caicos, and Aruba.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53

I find this completely baffling. 

Seriously? Your holiday is more important than other peoples future health and the opening up of the wider economy (as far as it is possible). 

Not remotely. That's not what I said at all. Did you read the whole post?

I did. The UK can only control matters within it's own borders. Elsewhere identified cases are increasing at a concerning rate. Likewise French ICU admissions are on an upward trend. Who knows what the winter is going to bring either. Lots of questions but nobody has the answers. Only people themselves can minimise the risk. 

I'm just not sure how you got the impression I thought my holiday was more important than other people's health. I'm not even planning on going to France (I don't have any trips abroad planned until early November, and even then I may end up not going) - I'm just suggesting that a trip of the kind I described is probably a lot less dangerous than many of the activities that have been allowed to continue within our borders.

Thrugelmir

ginger_chocolate said:

Thrugelmir said:

ginger_chocolate said:

Thrugelmir said:

ginger_chocolate said:

Pollycat said:

10 days on from the original post, Malta is no longer on the UK exempted list wef 04:00 tomorrow so 14 days quarantine will be necessary on return to the UK.

France and The Netherlands have also been removed, plus Monaco, Turks and Caicos, and Aruba.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53

I find this completely baffling. 

Seriously? Your holiday is more important than other peoples future health and the opening up of the wider economy (as far as it is possible). 

Not remotely. That's not what I said at all. Did you read the whole post?

I did. The UK can only control matters within it's own borders. Elsewhere identified cases are increasing at a concerning rate. Likewise French ICU admissions are on an upward trend. Who knows what the winter is going to bring either. Lots of questions but nobody has the answers. Only people themselves can minimise the risk. 

I'm just not sure how you got the impression I thought my holiday was more important than other people's health. I'm not even planning on going to France (I don't have any trips abroad planned until early November, and even then I may end up not going) - I'm just suggesting that a trip of the kind I described is probably a lot less dangerous than many of the activities that have been allowed to continue within our borders.

The difference is the numbers involved. Hundred of thousands of people are travelling abroad every week. Where as I bet Oxford Street has never been quieter since WW2. The City of London certainly is.