Support our high street shops and save the planet

Restitch

HollyTrees said:

But if you are out physical shopping its much more unlikely for a person to buy one item. The whole concept of shops are so you see other things that will tempt you into buying other things. 
I know for a fact if I go in ASDA with the aim just to get sandwiches, I end up buying a newspaper,  and God knows what else by the time I leave. Shops are designed this way I am certain of that.
But when you shop online it might be for one item, and its normally left at that, well it is from my perspective anyway. 
But the debate I heard was people dont realise when ordering one item will mean yet another van comes out for that which in reality isn't practical Thats all I heard. 

well certainly not at the moment, with queueing, covid, face masks etc there is absolutely no pleasure in physical shopping for anything that isn't necessary so I and I'm sure many others aren't tempted by anything except getting the essentials and going home. You mentioned saving the high st but use ASDA as your example, I don't think they're at risk personally, and you don't honestly believe that there is a little man sat in his little van waiting for your order and then ping, off he goes delivering your parcel to you specifically do you?, online orders and parcels are all grouped together in locations to maximise van deliveries and minimise costs, If I place an order online for something, there isn't another van sent just for me, I can't believe you honestly think that

HollyTrees

Restitch said:

HollyTrees said:

But if you are out physical shopping its much more unlikely for a person to buy one item. The whole concept of shops are so you see other things that will tempt you into buying other things. 
I know for a fact if I go in ASDA with the aim just to get sandwiches, I end up buying a newspaper,  and God knows what else by the time I leave. Shops are designed this way I am certain of that.
But when you shop online it might be for one item, and its normally left at that, well it is from my perspective anyway. 
But the debate I heard was people dont realise when ordering one item will mean yet another van comes out for that which in reality isn't practical Thats all I heard. 

well certainly not at the moment, with queueing, covid, face masks etc there is absolutely no pleasure in physical shopping for anything that isn't necessary so I and I'm sure many others aren't tempted by anything except getting the essentials and going home. You mentioned saving the high st but use ASDA as your example, I don't think they're at risk personally, and you don't honestly believe that there is a little man sat in his little van waiting for your order and then ping, off he goes delivering your parcel to you specifically do you?, online orders and parcels are all grouped together in locations to maximise van deliveries and minimise costs, If I place an order online for something, there isn't another van sent just for me, I can't believe you honestly think that

I didnt and couldn't believe it either until I heard it on Radio 4. It was some think-tank spokesman or somet, cant remember now,  it was early and I was driving to work. But they just said this covid will sadly put the last nail in the coffin of the high street shops because there is an alternative which is shop online. This isnt like the war with ration books etc.  But they went onto say with millions more using online deliveries will mean a lot more vans on the road. Which is a plausible fact if you think about it. 

comeandgo

There will be less items being delivered to high street shops, less people in their cars going to same high street shops, the items will go direct to consumer so surely a journey less?

Takmon

HollyTrees said:

Restitch said:

HollyTrees said:

But if you are out physical shopping its much more unlikely for a person to buy one item. The whole concept of shops are so you see other things that will tempt you into buying other things. 
I know for a fact if I go in ASDA with the aim just to get sandwiches, I end up buying a newspaper,  and God knows what else by the time I leave. Shops are designed this way I am certain of that.
But when you shop online it might be for one item, and its normally left at that, well it is from my perspective anyway. 
But the debate I heard was people dont realise when ordering one item will mean yet another van comes out for that which in reality isn't practical Thats all I heard. 

well certainly not at the moment, with queueing, covid, face masks etc there is absolutely no pleasure in physical shopping for anything that isn't necessary so I and I'm sure many others aren't tempted by anything except getting the essentials and going home. You mentioned saving the high st but use ASDA as your example, I don't think they're at risk personally, and you don't honestly believe that there is a little man sat in his little van waiting for your order and then ping, off he goes delivering your parcel to you specifically do you?, online orders and parcels are all grouped together in locations to maximise van deliveries and minimise costs, If I place an order online for something, there isn't another van sent just for me, I can't believe you honestly think that

I didnt and couldn't believe it either until I heard it on Radio 4. It was some think-tank spokesman or somet, cant remember now,  it was early and I was driving to work. But they just said this covid will sadly put the last nail in the coffin of the high street shops because there is an alternative which is shop online. This isnt like the war with ration books etc.  But they went onto say with millions more using online deliveries will mean a lot more vans on the road. Which is a plausible fact if you think about it. 

Yes there will be more vans on the road but then like others have said there will then be a reduction in the cars of people travelling into town. Considering that people only buy a few items at a time on average in town but vans regularly make 100 deliveries in a day then that will result in a overall reduction in traffic if people stop making these trips into town or make less of them. 
Also like i said earlier during lock down there was a massive increase in food shopping and online deliveries yet the roads were dead so just shows how little traffic deliveries actually generate because they are so efficient. 

But you seem to just blindly take what is said on the radio at face value when you should really think logically about what is being said even if you think it's a reputable source. 

lincroft1710

Yes, must go out and visit BHS, M & S, TopShop, River Island, Beales (Bournemouth based departmental store), Burtons, Fosters, Early Learning Centre, Maplins, Laura Ashley.(well Mrs Lincroft would visit some of these rather than me). 

Ah just remembered, all the above have either pulled out of our town centre, ceased trading or gone online. At least I can settle down and read the Argos catalogue - oh noooo, that's gone too!!

Mickey666

HollyTrees said:

Spank said:

HollyTrees said:

But if you are out physical shopping its much more unlikely for a person to buy one item. The whole concept of shops are so you see other things that will tempt you into buying other things. 
I know for a fact if I go in ASDA with the aim just to get sandwiches, I end up buying a newspaper,  and God knows what else by the time I leave. Shops are designed this way I am certain of that.
But when you shop online it might be for one item, and its normally left at that, well it is from my perspective anyway. 
But the debate I heard was people dont realise when ordering one item will mean yet another van comes out for that which in reality isn't practical Thats all I heard. 

Are you seriously saying that when you order an item they take it, put it on a van snd drive it to you on it's own?

You can't be that daft. As others have said it's loaded in a van with 10's or hundreds of other parcels that are being delivered in your local area.

I don't doubt that, but the debate was a van will travel from for example Middlesex to Cornwall just to deliver 30 items to 30 people. How on earth is that viable trips? 

Yeah, right, and if you think that's bad what about royal mail?  Just imagine all those millions of letters being delivered all over the country to millions of people.  It's a wonder there is any room on the roads at all, what with millions of royal mail delivery vans everywhere . . . . er, hang on . . .    

Pollycat

So OP...
Taking into account all the opinons you've read on this thread you've created - do you still think this 'think tank spokesman' was right?

coachman12

Pollycat said:

So OP...
Taking into account all the opinons you've read on this thread you've created - do you still think this 'think tank spokesman' was right?

Good question,Pollycat----has this interminable thread been of any use in making someone think for themselves instead of being "frightened" by ridiculous media fairy stories?

Manxman_in_exile

HollyTrees said:

Restitch said:

HollyTrees said:

But if you are out physical shopping its much more unlikely for a person to buy one item. The whole concept of shops are so you see other things that will tempt you into buying other things. 
I know for a fact if I go in ASDA with the aim just to get sandwiches, I end up buying a newspaper,  and God knows what else by the time I leave. Shops are designed this way I am certain of that.
But when you shop online it might be for one item, and its normally left at that, well it is from my perspective anyway. 
But the debate I heard was people dont realise when ordering one item will mean yet another van comes out for that which in reality isn't practical Thats all I heard. 

well certainly not at the moment, with queueing, covid, face masks etc there is absolutely no pleasure in physical shopping for anything that isn't necessary so I and I'm sure many others aren't tempted by anything except getting the essentials and going home. You mentioned saving the high st but use ASDA as your example, I don't think they're at risk personally, and you don't honestly believe that there is a little man sat in his little van waiting for your order and then ping, off he goes delivering your parcel to you specifically do you?, online orders and parcels are all grouped together in locations to maximise van deliveries and minimise costs, If I place an order online for something, there isn't another van sent just for me, I can't believe you honestly think that

I didnt and couldn't believe it either until I heard it on Radio 4. It was some think-tank spokesman or somet, cant remember now,  it was early and I was driving to work. But they just said this covid will sadly put the last nail in the coffin of the high street shops because there is an alternative which is shop online. This isnt like the war with ration books etc.  But they went onto say with millions more using online deliveries will mean a lot more vans on the road. Which is a plausible fact if you think about it. 

     

HollyTrees

Well letters are done in a sorting office. Irems off a shelf of a warehouse isnt?