Support our high street shops and save the planet

SingleSue

HollyTrees said:

But what about the conception of the super shopping malls in big cities like Manchester. I doubt a person would go there to buy one item. They would make the trip viable and end up purchasing a car boot full.
Compared to someone might just go online for one item without realising that one item needs a delivery van. 
Thats all the debate was about. I cant really add to that. But I kinda agreed with them. 
I think society today has reached the half way house anyway and beyond. What I mean is if we conpare to when the high street shops were King back say 20 years ago to now,  it probably was a more economical way of living. You only have to look around on the roads today and you see loads of those delivery vans, I should know cause they always tail gate me and break speed limits as they have a dead line for so many deliveries I suppose. 
How can that be environmentally friendly compared to 20, 30 years ago when our roads were free of these vans. Its common sense to me. And thats what they were debating at like 6am in the morning. And no I didnt dream it. 

I quite often go to a shopping mall and not buy anything! I'm just there for the mooch around and the reward of tea and cake somewhere along the line...

HollyTrees

SingleSue said:

HollyTrees said:

But what about the conception of the super shopping malls in big cities like Manchester. I doubt a person would go there to buy one item. They would make the trip viable and end up purchasing a car boot full.
Compared to someone might just go online for one item without realising that one item needs a delivery van. 
Thats all the debate was about. I cant really add to that. But I kinda agreed with them. 
I think society today has reached the half way house anyway and beyond. What I mean is if we conpare to when the high street shops were King back say 20 years ago to now,  it probably was a more economical way of living. You only have to look around on the roads today and you see loads of those delivery vans, I should know cause they always tail gate me and break speed limits as they have a dead line for so many deliveries I suppose. 
How can that be environmentally friendly compared to 20, 30 years ago when our roads were free of these vans. Its common sense to me. And thats what they were debating at like 6am in the morning. And no I didnt dream it. 

I quite often go to a shopping mall and not buy anything! I'm just there for the mooch around and the reward of tea and cake somewhere along the line...

Tea and cakes? Well ok your forgiven for that lol.
I have had days like that where I just like window shopping and chilling out that way with no intent to buy anything can be quite therapeutic, and possibly see people you know etc. This is the kinda thing that online shopping doesn't give you.  But I really do think that if we are not careful the way things are heading into the future the only way to shop will be online as there is no big rental bills or business rates etc for companies to pay, unless the internet finds ways to charge rental space. So highstreet shops really will be history. Its started already in smaller towns. It really is in our hands, do we use them or lose them forever.
I personally cant imagine a life without shops, life will be quite boring.
Plus how would people manage if they are on holiday, not necessarily in another country but say for example you are on a vacation to another part of this country, but with no shops how could you buy things to survive with during the holiday as you couldn't have it delivered to a caravan or tent.
I honestly think in 30 years from now we are digging ourselves a big hole to be in. But then what do I know? 

JamoLew

HollyTrees said:

Plus how would people manage if they are on holiday, not necessarily in another country but say for example you are on a vacation to another part of this country, but with no shops how could you buy things to survive with during the holiday as you couldn't have it delivered to a caravan or tent.

Many supermarkets deliver to camp sites and many camp sites have shops on site
Plus - some caravans are towed there by car - problem solved
Stop camping - save the planet (since these people had to get there somehow)
Your example would affect a tiny % of the population
It's a shame since sometimes you raise some very valid points/arguments -- but generally, they get lost in the ill thought out nonsense

Manxman_in_exile

HollyTrees said:

SingleSue said:

HollyTrees said:

But what about the conception of the super shopping malls in big cities like Manchester. I doubt a person would go there to buy one item. They would make the trip viable and end up purchasing a car boot full.
Compared to someone might just go online for one item without realising that one item needs a delivery van. 
Thats all the debate was about. I cant really add to that. But I kinda agreed with them. 
I think society today has reached the half way house anyway and beyond. What I mean is if we conpare to when the high street shops were King back say 20 years ago to now,  it probably was a more economical way of living. You only have to look around on the roads today and you see loads of those delivery vans, I should know cause they always tail gate me and break speed limits as they have a dead line for so many deliveries I suppose. 
How can that be environmentally friendly compared to 20, 30 years ago when our roads were free of these vans. Its common sense to me. And thats what they were debating at like 6am in the morning. And no I didnt dream it. 

I quite often go to a shopping mall and not buy anything! I'm just there for the mooch around and the reward of tea and cake somewhere along the line...

Tea and cakes? Well ok your forgiven for that lol.
I have had days like that where I just like window shopping and chilling out that way with no intent to buy anything can be quite therapeutic, and possibly see people you know etc. This is the kinda thing that online shopping doesn't give you.  But I really do think that if we are not careful the way things are heading into the future the only way to shop will be online as there is no big rental bills or business rates etc for companies to pay, unless the internet finds ways to charge rental space. So highstreet shops really will be history. Its started already in smaller towns. It really is in our hands, do we use them or lose them forever.
I personally cant imagine a life without shops, life will be quite boring.
Plus how would people manage if they are on holiday, not necessarily in another country but say for example you are on a vacation to another part of this country, but with no shops how could you buy things to survive with during the holiday as you couldn't have it delivered to a caravan or tent.
I honestly think in 30 years from now we are digging ourselves a big hole to be in. But then what do I know? 

I actually agree with some of the points you make above.  They're more significant than the impact of "increased(?)" road traffic because of the increase in internet purchasing.

HollyTrees

Manxman_in_exile said:

HollyTrees said:

SingleSue said:

HollyTrees said:

But what about the conception of the super shopping malls in big cities like Manchester. I doubt a person would go there to buy one item. They would make the trip viable and end up purchasing a car boot full.
Compared to someone might just go online for one item without realising that one item needs a delivery van. 
Thats all the debate was about. I cant really add to that. But I kinda agreed with them. 
I think society today has reached the half way house anyway and beyond. What I mean is if we conpare to when the high street shops were King back say 20 years ago to now,  it probably was a more economical way of living. You only have to look around on the roads today and you see loads of those delivery vans, I should know cause they always tail gate me and break speed limits as they have a dead line for so many deliveries I suppose. 
How can that be environmentally friendly compared to 20, 30 years ago when our roads were free of these vans. Its common sense to me. And thats what they were debating at like 6am in the morning. And no I didnt dream it. 

I quite often go to a shopping mall and not buy anything! I'm just there for the mooch around and the reward of tea and cake somewhere along the line...

Tea and cakes? Well ok your forgiven for that lol.
I have had days like that where I just like window shopping and chilling out that way with no intent to buy anything can be quite therapeutic, and possibly see people you know etc. This is the kinda thing that online shopping doesn't give you.  But I really do think that if we are not careful the way things are heading into the future the only way to shop will be online as there is no big rental bills or business rates etc for companies to pay, unless the internet finds ways to charge rental space. So highstreet shops really will be history. Its started already in smaller towns. It really is in our hands, do we use them or lose them forever.
I personally cant imagine a life without shops, life will be quite boring.
Plus how would people manage if they are on holiday, not necessarily in another country but say for example you are on a vacation to another part of this country, but with no shops how could you buy things to survive with during the holiday as you couldn't have it delivered to a caravan or tent.
I honestly think in 30 years from now we are digging ourselves a big hole to be in. But then what do I know? 

I actually agree with some of the points you make above.  They're more significant than the impact of "increased(?)" road traffic because of the increase in internet purchasing.

Thanks at last someone sees what I was getting at. And thats what the debate on the Radio was about. Increased internet purchasing as increased our traffic on the roads.
Thats why they we're on about support your high street shops and in the long run we are saving the planet. 

Pollycat

HollyTrees said:

Thanks at last someone sees what I was getting at. And thats what the debate on the Radio was about. Increased internet purchasing as increased our traffic on the roads.
Thats why they we're on about support your high street shops and in the long run we are saving the planet. 

You can't support something that's dead.

As I said waaaaay up-thread:

Pollycat said:

My local high street was poor pre-covid.

Mainly charity shops, betting shops, opticians, cash converter type shops.

Heaven knows what it looks like now (I haven't been for over 4 months).

Lots of shops have closed because of high business rents and rates, so we can't do our bit and shop in the high street like we used to. It's too late.

HollyTrees said:

I know which is a shame, but it really is a case of use them or lose them. 

It's too late.

We've lost them.

Since I wrote this ^^^^ at the end of July, I've been into my local town once.

Several shops have also closed, plus one shoe shop that is closing down in the next couple of weeks.

A haberdashery shop that originated on our local market around 30 years ago before moving into a small shop is empty. No stock. No fittings. I doubt that they are doing a refurbishment as they did one not so long ago. So - nowhere to buy buttons, zips, cotton, elastic etc without a bus journey in any direction.

OP:

Maybe my experience of my local high street is different to yours.

Perhaps you could tell us what interesting shops you have on your high street.

Takmon

HollyTrees said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

HollyTrees said:

SingleSue said:

HollyTrees said:

But what about the conception of the super shopping malls in big cities like Manchester. I doubt a person would go there to buy one item. They would make the trip viable and end up purchasing a car boot full.
Compared to someone might just go online for one item without realising that one item needs a delivery van. 
Thats all the debate was about. I cant really add to that. But I kinda agreed with them. 
I think society today has reached the half way house anyway and beyond. What I mean is if we conpare to when the high street shops were King back say 20 years ago to now,  it probably was a more economical way of living. You only have to look around on the roads today and you see loads of those delivery vans, I should know cause they always tail gate me and break speed limits as they have a dead line for so many deliveries I suppose. 
How can that be environmentally friendly compared to 20, 30 years ago when our roads were free of these vans. Its common sense to me. And thats what they were debating at like 6am in the morning. And no I didnt dream it. 

I quite often go to a shopping mall and not buy anything! I'm just there for the mooch around and the reward of tea and cake somewhere along the line...

Tea and cakes? Well ok your forgiven for that lol.
I have had days like that where I just like window shopping and chilling out that way with no intent to buy anything can be quite therapeutic, and possibly see people you know etc. This is the kinda thing that online shopping doesn't give you.  But I really do think that if we are not careful the way things are heading into the future the only way to shop will be online as there is no big rental bills or business rates etc for companies to pay, unless the internet finds ways to charge rental space. So highstreet shops really will be history. Its started already in smaller towns. It really is in our hands, do we use them or lose them forever.
I personally cant imagine a life without shops, life will be quite boring.
Plus how would people manage if they are on holiday, not necessarily in another country but say for example you are on a vacation to another part of this country, but with no shops how could you buy things to survive with during the holiday as you couldn't have it delivered to a caravan or tent.
I honestly think in 30 years from now we are digging ourselves a big hole to be in. But then what do I know? 

I actually agree with some of the points you make above.  They're more significant than the impact of "increased(?)" road traffic because of the increase in internet purchasing.

Thanks at last someone sees what I was getting at. And thats what the debate on the Radio was about. Increased internet purchasing as increased our traffic on the roads.
Thats why they we're on about support your high street shops and in the long run we are saving the planet. 

But then you seem to be ignoring all the people (including my posts) where we have said that all those people shopping online during lockdown have been doing that instead of traveling to the shops.
So the one van delivering 100+ parcels is more environmentally friendly that 50 people driving into town to do shopping. 

So actually if you want to save the planet then we should shut down all the shops and order everything online because parcel services are more efficient and environmentally friendly than everyone driving to the shops. 

Spank

Takmon said:

HollyTrees said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

HollyTrees said:

SingleSue said:

HollyTrees said:

But what about the conception of the super shopping malls in big cities like Manchester. I doubt a person would go there to buy one item. They would make the trip viable and end up purchasing a car boot full.
Compared to someone might just go online for one item without realising that one item needs a delivery van. 
Thats all the debate was about. I cant really add to that. But I kinda agreed with them. 
I think society today has reached the half way house anyway and beyond. What I mean is if we conpare to when the high street shops were King back say 20 years ago to now,  it probably was a more economical way of living. You only have to look around on the roads today and you see loads of those delivery vans, I should know cause they always tail gate me and break speed limits as they have a dead line for so many deliveries I suppose. 
How can that be environmentally friendly compared to 20, 30 years ago when our roads were free of these vans. Its common sense to me. And thats what they were debating at like 6am in the morning. And no I didnt dream it. 

I quite often go to a shopping mall and not buy anything! I'm just there for the mooch around and the reward of tea and cake somewhere along the line...

Tea and cakes? Well ok your forgiven for that lol.
I have had days like that where I just like window shopping and chilling out that way with no intent to buy anything can be quite therapeutic, and possibly see people you know etc. This is the kinda thing that online shopping doesn't give you.  But I really do think that if we are not careful the way things are heading into the future the only way to shop will be online as there is no big rental bills or business rates etc for companies to pay, unless the internet finds ways to charge rental space. So highstreet shops really will be history. Its started already in smaller towns. It really is in our hands, do we use them or lose them forever.
I personally cant imagine a life without shops, life will be quite boring.
Plus how would people manage if they are on holiday, not necessarily in another country but say for example you are on a vacation to another part of this country, but with no shops how could you buy things to survive with during the holiday as you couldn't have it delivered to a caravan or tent.
I honestly think in 30 years from now we are digging ourselves a big hole to be in. But then what do I know? 

I actually agree with some of the points you make above.  They're more significant than the impact of "increased(?)" road traffic because of the increase in internet purchasing.

Thanks at last someone sees what I was getting at. And thats what the debate on the Radio was about. Increased internet purchasing as increased our traffic on the roads.
Thats why they we're on about support your high street shops and in the long run we are saving the planet. 

But then you seem to be ignoring all the people (including my posts) where we have said that all those people shopping online during lockdown have been doing that instead of traveling to the shops.
So the one van delivering 100+ parcels is more environmentally friendly that 50 people driving into town to do shopping. 

So actually if you want to save the planet then we should shut down all the shops and order everything online because parcel services are more efficient and environmentally friendly than everyone driving to the shops. 

Well of course she's ignoring that, it doesn't fit her narrative.
I wonder what Holly will be saying once everybody's using flying drones for delivery 

SingleSue

HollyTrees said:

SingleSue said:

HollyTrees said:

But what about the conception of the super shopping malls in big cities like Manchester. I doubt a person would go there to buy one item. They would make the trip viable and end up purchasing a car boot full.
Compared to someone might just go online for one item without realising that one item needs a delivery van. 
Thats all the debate was about. I cant really add to that. But I kinda agreed with them. 
I think society today has reached the half way house anyway and beyond. What I mean is if we conpare to when the high street shops were King back say 20 years ago to now,  it probably was a more economical way of living. You only have to look around on the roads today and you see loads of those delivery vans, I should know cause they always tail gate me and break speed limits as they have a dead line for so many deliveries I suppose. 
How can that be environmentally friendly compared to 20, 30 years ago when our roads were free of these vans. Its common sense to me. And thats what they were debating at like 6am in the morning. And no I didnt dream it. 

I quite often go to a shopping mall and not buy anything! I'm just there for the mooch around and the reward of tea and cake somewhere along the line...

Tea and cakes? Well ok your forgiven for that lol.
I have had days like that where I just like window shopping and chilling out that way with no intent to buy anything can be quite therapeutic, and possibly see people you know etc. This is the kinda thing that online shopping doesn't give you.  But I really do think that if we are not careful the way things are heading into the future the only way to shop will be online as there is no big rental bills or business rates etc for companies to pay, unless the internet finds ways to charge rental space. So highstreet shops really will be history. Its started already in smaller towns. It really is in our hands, do we use them or lose them forever.
I personally cant imagine a life without shops, life will be quite boring.
Plus how would people manage if they are on holiday, not necessarily in another country but say for example you are on a vacation to another part of this country, but with no shops how could you buy things to survive with during the holiday as you couldn't have it delivered to a caravan or tent.
I honestly think in 30 years from now we are digging ourselves a big hole to be in. But then what do I know? 

Pretty much all my shopping trips to malls are like that, we go for the day out rather than the purchase opportunity. 

Due to the changes in our town centre to facilitate social distancing,  I am unable to support our local shops as it is now inaccessible to me, so my purchasing will remain online for the foreseeable future.

I can only support what I can access and right now, that is online.

Pollycat

Pollycat said:

HollyTrees said:

Thanks at last someone sees what I was getting at. And thats what the debate on the Radio was about. Increased internet purchasing as increased our traffic on the roads.
Thats why they we're on about support your high street shops and in the long run we are saving the planet. 

You can't support something that's dead.

As I said waaaaay up-thread:

Pollycat said:

My local high street was poor pre-covid.

Mainly charity shops, betting shops, opticians, cash converter type shops.

Heaven knows what it looks like now (I haven't been for over 4 months).

Lots of shops have closed because of high business rents and rates, so we can't do our bit and shop in the high street like we used to. It's too late.

HollyTrees said:

I know which is a shame, but it really is a case of use them or lose them. 

It's too late.

We've lost them.

Since I wrote this ^^^^ at the end of July, I've been into my local town once.

Several shops have also closed, plus one shoe shop that is closing down in the next couple of weeks.

A haberdashery shop that originated on our local market around 30 years ago before moving into a small shop is empty. No stock. No fittings. I doubt that they are doing a refurbishment as they did one not so long ago. So - nowhere to buy buttons, zips, cotton, elastic etc without a bus journey in any direction.

OP:

Maybe my experience of my local high street is different to yours.

Perhaps you could tell us what interesting shops you have on your high street.

OK.
I've just been to my local town.
In addition to the shops I've mentioned above, Monsoon/Accessorize has closed. So has Thornton's (chocolate shop). And a William Hill betting shop (no loss to me).
We have a small indoor precinct. 25% of the units are empty.
So, I'll ask the OP again:
What interesting shops do you have on your high street?
And how many have closed in the last 5 months?