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Conflicting dates on PCN

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  • Fruitcake
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    Ok, so trying to contact one of the board members is proving difficult. Please can someone please advise ?? 
    This site is proving quite tricky to navigate. 
  • jbean1989
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    Worked it out at last 😂 Thanks 
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  • Umkomaas
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    jbean1989 said:
    Under the listed PCN details it shows as:
    " Incident Date
    2020-07-10 16:44:00 "
    And a further date format. They should ask eBay about their refund policy! 😆
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Le_Kirk
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    Umkomaas said:
    So not only are they stating two different dates, you might want to argue that the date shown on the ANPR photo is a date point in the future - i.e., 7th September 2020. There is nothing to inform that they are utilising a non-UK format.  Suggest the calibration of their machine is right up sh"t creek. 
    I would imagine it is US date format where the month is shown first and the date second!
  • Umkomaas
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    edited 18 July 2020 at 9:50AM
    Le_Kirk said:
    Umkomaas said:
    So not only are they stating two different dates, you might want to argue that the date shown on the ANPR photo is a date point in the future - i.e., 7th September 2020. There is nothing to inform that they are utilising a non-UK format.  Suggest the calibration of their machine is right up sh"t creek. 
    I would imagine it is US date format where the month is shown first and the date second!
    One might surmise that, but there's nothing on the NtK to indicate that it is.  Just another issue for the PPC to deal with at the IAS/court. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Le_Kirk
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    Umkomaas said:
    Le_Kirk said:
    Umkomaas said:
    So not only are they stating two different dates, you might want to argue that the date shown on the ANPR photo is a date point in the future - i.e., 7th September 2020. There is nothing to inform that they are utilising a non-UK format.  Suggest the calibration of their machine is right up sh"t creek. 
    I would imagine it is US date format where the month is shown first and the date second!
    One might surmise that, but there's nothing on the NtK to indicate that it is.  Just another issue for the PPC to deal with at the IAS/court. 
    Yep, it goes to prove that things are not synchronised, in this case the back office to the ANPR camera.
  • jbean1989
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    Several issues to be raised with their ANPR photos as well.

    Image 1: 

    No clear distinction between their pub carpark and the McDonald's car park, which are practically side by side and no clear signs showing drivers are entering a pub car park with parking restrictions.
    Parking restriction signs are further into the car park and not in the first half of it, where the driver in question was parked. 

    Image 2: 

    Signs further into the car park, as shown on image 1. 

    Image 3: 
    Trees overgrowing on large black sign. Making it more difficult for any drivers to know they are entering a pub carpark. 

    Image 4: 
    no visible parking restriction signs on the fencing opposite where driver would have been parked, none on either side. Again, just trees. 

    Image 5: 

    Showing where driver had parked, with no parking restriction signs in sight apart from further into the car park shown on image 1. Before driver left the car park having parked for a total of 7.38 minutes.

    Image 6:

    Consistent with the poor maintenance of this pub car park. Barely visible and faded 'staff only' marking 
  • jbean1989
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    Will also be taking a trip to the car park for more photos :D determined to win this one, have spent over £500 on PCNs over the years but only recently began to do my research into them
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