How can a third party - 'the keeper' be responsible for someone else's alleged contract?

Ralph-y

"The driver is an NHS Ambulance employee"

own private car or NHS vehicle?

Ralph

Totum20

Fruitcake said:

Totum20 said:

Coupon-mad said:

But first task is check if POFA applies , did the NTK comply ?

As Redx says - are you assuming that the NTK is a POFA one or have you fully compared it to para 8 or 9 of sch4?

It does comply. To the letter. My only avenue is to question their right to patrol that area - which i'm looking into.

Are you saying all the signage is on a par with that in the Beavis case? 

I can see no fault with it. The only point I would challenge is that it has no explanation of how to obtain written permission from them. I can post an image if more experienced eyes than mine may be able to spot a chink in their arlour

Ralph-y

yes post up

Ralph

Totum20

Ralph-y said:

yes post up

Ralph

It was a private vehicle. The NHS deal with PCN to their own vehicles as a matter of course.

DoaM

Is it possible to get a scan of the PCN itself? (Redacting any identifiable info such as your name/address/vehicle reg/PCN reference/date of event)

I think the questions about POFA compliance refer to the PCN not the sign.

Redx

The modus operandi is to reject all appeals regardless of circumstances , the parking contract is the trap set by signs , the PCN is the hook to real them in , the fish jumps from hook to frying pan despite the protestations and there is no mitigation due to the greed of the claimant

We have no issue in you protecting the driver , but you are stating that the PCN complies fully with POFA , so as keeper the liability remains with you for the time being , so no landowner authority and poor and inadequate signage are your main criteria

IPC members aren't interested in mitigation or platitudes , so don't get your hopes up

A judge might decide in the drivers favour , but you are not naming the driver

DoaM

Other than perhaps Parking Eye, do any PPCs have POFA-compliant PCNs/NTKs?

Redx

Yes , there are others , 8 years seems to focus their minds , but many still fail POFA compliance , especially IPC members

Even Parking Eye can fail , usually on the 14 days timescale in their case

Signage is the more likely failure , as is no landowner authority

Totum20

Redx said:

Yes , there are others , 8 years seems to focus their minds , but many still fail POFA compliance , especially IPC members

Even Parking Eye can fail , usually on the 14 days timescale in their case

Signage is the more likely failure , as is no landowner authority

Yes. I'm relying on the landowner authority, which I'm investigating at the moment. I'm not playing any hands until I've established that.

Everyones help so far has been invaluable. So thanks Its greatly appreciated.

Totum20

DoaM said:

Is it possible to get a scan of the PCN itself? (Redacting any identifiable info such as your name/address/vehicle reg/PCN reference/date of event)

I think the questions about POFA compliance refer to the PCN not the sign.

Sure. I think they've really learned to clean their act up. Mistakes are weaknesses so they seem to have stopped making them.