They helped Boris to recover, they helped 1000's to recover, a bomb has been dropped on NHS workers

Snakes_Belly

D_P_Dance said:

I don't agree that nurses in the North should be paid less. They are doing the same job and taking the same risks.

But do not houses cost a lot less in Bolton than in Bournemouth.

I think that there should be a London loading as the costs of working in the capital are higher. I don't think that their salary scales should be affected. There are areas in the North that are more expensive than Bournemouth.  North Yorkshire is very expensive, ditto Lakes, Cheshire, Peak district and the border area's.   

princeofpounds

Snakes_Belly said:

I think that there should be a London loading as the costs of working in the capital are higher. I don't think that their salary scales should be affected. There are areas in the North that are more expensive than Bournemouth.  North Yorkshire is very expensive, ditto Lakes, Cheshire, Peak district and the border area's.   

So then you do accept geographical weighting on wages. There is no real difference between a 'loading' and a 'scale' - people get paid what they get paid.

I do also agree with you that there are some expensive locations in the North. Surely the most sensible way forward is to allow each location to negotiate its own salary with its own workers, like any normal company. 

Wages should be set by the supply and demand for the skills and the labour, not by arbitrary banding. Yes, people do the same job in many locations, but a wage that would allow a nurse in Merthyr Tydfil to live in a four bedroom house with land would condemn a nurse in London (or to a lesser extent Esher or Knutsford) to live in an ex-council studio flat. There is absolutely nothing equitable about that. 

Andy_L

Snakes_Belly said:

D_P_Dance said:

I don't agree that nurses in the North should be paid less. They are doing the same job and taking the same risks.

But do not houses cost a lot less in Bolton than in Bournemouth.

I think that there should be a London loading as the costs of working in the capital are higher. I don't think that their salary scales should be affected. There are areas in the North that are more expensive than Bournemouth.  North Yorkshire is very expensive, ditto Lakes, Cheshire, Peak district and the border area's.   

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Snakes_Belly

princeofpounds said:

Snakes_Belly said:

I think that there should be a London loading as the costs of working in the capital are higher. I don't think that their salary scales should be affected. There are areas in the North that are more expensive than Bournemouth.  North Yorkshire is very expensive, ditto Lakes, Cheshire, Peak district and the border area's.   

So then you do accept geographical weighting on wages. There is no real difference between a 'loading' and a 'scale' - people get paid what they get paid.

I do also agree with you that there are some expensive locations in the North. Surely the most sensible way forward is to allow each location to negotiate its own salary with its own workers, like any normal company. 

Wages should be set by the supply and demand for the skills and the labour, not by arbitrary banding. Yes, people do the same job in many locations, but a wage that would allow a nurse in Merthyr Tydfil to live in a four bedroom house with land would condemn a nurse in London (or to a lesser extent Esher or Knutsford) to live in an ex-council studio flat. There is absolutely nothing equitable about that. 

Isn't this about choice though?. There are people living in London who could have much better quality of life and live in a better property but they choose to stay in the capital.  I agree that people living in London should get the weighting which most do as the cost of living is higher in the capital. The cost of living and houses in places like Hexham and Harrogate probably on a par with Bournemouth. In the dales cost of property would be higher.