Mother (96yrs old) and Sister (80 yrs old), sister had been given notice

Grumpy_chap

I have totally lost track. There is an elderly mother, and an elderly sister and a younger sister and another sister.  I probably wont be the person to provide helpful comment in this issue, but anyone will need to track who's who to give relevant suggestions.

MovingForwards

Mom (96) and Eldest sister (mom's daughter) (80) live together in home owned by mom.
OP is the next sister (mom's daughter).
Youngest sister (mom's daughter) has put mom in a care home with the help of a GP.

Someone has served notice, someone pays rent and everything.

That's as far as I understood.

Let's try and get some simple answers without all the confusion.

Who has served notice?
What kind of notice has been served?

Whose name(s) on the title deeds to the property?

Could mom look after herself?
Does mom have mental capacity?
What health issues does mom have?

Could eldest daughter look after herself?
Does eldest daughter have mental capacity?
What health issues does eldest daughter have?

Grumpy_chap

Thanks @MovingForwards - I had thought the sisters, or at least some of the sisters were the Mum and her sister.  It makes more sense if it is as you laid out, but still a lot of confusion.

Fishing1948

purple12 said:

The GP can't put anyone in a care home. There would have to be a decision by your mother and if she lacked capacity to make that decision, the local social care team would be involved. Care homes have thresholds to meet and will not be able to take anyone who wants to go as well. 

Ask your mother who arranged it - and if she will give consent for you to speak to them about her care. If she doesn't have capacity to make the decision, then it might be about asking the local social care team via the GP if necessary. If she owns the house and her daughter who is over 65, lives there, the house will not need to be sold. The local authority cannot force sale if there is another 'vulnerable' (and older person counts here) lives there.   Go to Age UK for advice, i think. But it is probably not as straightforward as it might sound. 

O wow so much information, I will print this out for my sister and the other information that has been provided, never had anything like this in our family! It really is so much information for her to go forwards, I am trying to help, however I have always been the carer for my mum, not official as such, but since my husband has died, I have always been there for my mum.  My younger sister I do not speak with, I am not sure of her responsibilities, as not told official, I think my younger brother and sister are the executors of my mum's will and perhaps further instructions. Have to find out more. Its all so sad, as it will only be further anger within the family. It has been so sudden. Thank you

LilElvis

Fishing1948 said:

purple12 said:

The GP can't put anyone in a care home. There would have to be a decision by your mother and if she lacked capacity to make that decision, the local social care team would be involved. Care homes have thresholds to meet and will not be able to take anyone who wants to go as well. 

Ask your mother who arranged it - and if she will give consent for you to speak to them about her care. If she doesn't have capacity to make the decision, then it might be about asking the local social care team via the GP if necessary. If she owns the house and her daughter who is over 65, lives there, the house will not need to be sold. The local authority cannot force sale if there is another 'vulnerable' (and older person counts here) lives there.   Go to Age UK for advice, i think. But it is probably not as straightforward as it might sound. 

O wow so much information, I will print this out for my sister and the other information that has been provided, never had anything like this in our family! It really is so much information for her to go forwards, I am trying to help, however I have always been the carer for my mum, not official as such, but since my husband has died, I have always been there for my mum.  My younger sister I do not speak with, I am not sure of her responsibilities, as not told official, I think my younger brother and sister are the executors of my mum's will and perhaps further instructions. Have to find out more. Its all so sad, as it will only be further anger within the family. It has been so sudden. Thank you

Who is named as executor in your mother's will is irrelevant as your mother is still alive. Do any of the siblings have Power of Attorney over your mother's financial affairs? That would be relevant.

Fishing1948

Grumpy_chap said:

I have totally lost track. There is an elderly mother, and an elderly sister and a younger sister and another sister.  I probably wont be the person to provide helpful comment in this issue, but anyone will need to track who's who to give relevant suggestions.

Sorry about that, I thought it is best to keep anonymous, my mother is 96 years old, she is living with a young daughter in another home, she usually lives in her own home, which is owned by my mum, my mum went to stay with this younger sister, and now the younger sister/daughter has instructed the older sister/daughter that she has to leave her home as her mum is going to line in a home, do not know whether care home or nursing home.  Thank you for attempting to help me, I just dont know how else to say the above information in order for you to understand, I thank you for your time. 

Fishing1948

MovingForwards said:

Mom (96) and Eldest sister (mom's daughter) (80) live together in home owned by mom.- Correct
OP is the next sister (mom's daughter). - Correct she is the eldest in the family
Youngest sister (mom's daughter) has put mom in a care home with the help of a GP. - Incorrect, she is going to put mum into a home, we do not know at present what type i.e. care or nursing home.  There has been only an assessment with a GP, I do not know if it is Mum's GP or another GP in the area my younger sister lives,

Someone has served notice, someone pays rent and everything..No one has given notice in writing just by word of mouth. My elder sister does pay rent and helps towards bills

That's as far as I understood.

Let's try and get some simple answers without all the confusion.

Who has served notice?  The younger sister by speaking
What kind of notice has been served? only conversation in person by younger sister

Whose name(s) on the title deeds to the property? I do not know

Could mom look after herself? - GP has said no
Does mom have mental capacity? -  I say yes - however younger sister disagrees, I do not know what GP said
What health issues does mom have? - recently, urine infection, last time was a year ago

Could eldest daughter look after herself? yes
Does eldest daughter have mental capacity? yes
What health issues does eldest daughter have? not sure

I have answered all your questions in the italics I trust this works.

Fishing1948

Grumpy_chap said:

Thanks @MovingForwards - I had thought the sisters, or at least some of the sisters were the Mum and her sister.  It makes more sense if it is as you laid out, but still a lot of confusion.

Ah obviously you have not received my replies that is strange

AnotherJoe

and now the younger sister/daughter has instructed the older sister/daughter that she has to leave her home as her mum is going to line in a home

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Why does younger sister have any authority to tell / make older sister leave mums house?

Whats it got to do with younger sister?

LilElvis

Does your younger sister have Power of Attorney over your mother's financial affairs?