Are U1of 3million+ #ExcludedUK Getting NO Govt Support? Join us!

jimkelly

I have to say the lack of empathy towards those "excluded" from certain quarters is disappointing.  It smacks of "I'm alright Jack, so sod them".

Whether you agree with the cause or not, whether you agree with the numbers or not, whether you think someone should be included in the numbers, whether you agree with the way they have gone/are going about it, surely let's have some compassion and support for people who are very worried at the present time, have had no income for months and are genuinely struggling.

boyleminer

MadMattUK said:

boyleminer said:

The people being negative towards the excluded, there are a lot of ex military people in our group. Your saying people who put their lives on the line for your country are not worthy of your support or the countries support. Remember that the next time you’re saying ‘least we forget’ 

Nice bit of trolling there. Someone can agree that the "Excluded" campaign is fundamentally and critically flawed and still support current and ex-Servicemen. The problem with the "Excluded" campaign is that it is factually inaccurate in many areas, makes vast misrepresentations on issues, double counts people, includes people in it's figures who do not need or want help and is ultimately so incoherent that it does not have a solid message, cause or goal ("Give a vast, imprecise group of people" is not an goal).

Specific targeted change campaigns have worked very well, examples relating to the military could be that that reserves returning from deployment are eligible for furlough even after the scheme was open to new entrants, that many military personnel due to leave the armed forces were allowed to delay their departures, the changes to maternity and furlough, Rashford's school mean voucher extension etc. 

There are major issues with the way the armed forces fails to help ex-servicemen to adapt to and integrate into civilian life, that should be addressed, Covid-19 has no bearing on that, the military covenant needs to be strengthened. Just because people support greater help for ex-forces personnel does not mean that they have to support "Excluded", the two have no connection. 

I am not a troll. I’ll give you whatever details about myself you want. What I said is 100% true. There are many ex military personnel in excluded who have missed out in any financial support due to the 50% rule or being new starters. 

Please show me examples of the misrepresentations and inaccuracies being made my excluded 

Uxb1

Grumpy_chap said:

To get NO support, you have to fall into ALL of those groups.  I do not believe that is 3 million people.
The coronavirus support schemes are unbelievably generous.  I have yet to meet any individual anywhere who is getting NO support, except for if they don't chose to claim the support that is available.

I'm one of those excluded and I full agree that I should NOT be getting any support.
I'm semi- early-retired doing part time self employed work such that my income from self employment is on average just less than half my full income from all sources. So I'm excluded by that reason - and to be honest quite right too. 
The Chancellor woudl probably describe my self employment as almost a hobby time employment.

jfinnie

amykirk1996 said:

"What HMRC's ‘pay-now clawback later’ contractor dividends policy might look like"
https://www.contractoruk.com/coronavirus/covid19_what_hmrcs_pay_now_clawback_later_contractor_dividends_policy_might_look.html

Totally unworkable.   Can't see that scheme or anything like it going forward as all you'd have to do to get the full whack is spend all the profit you have in excess on something or several things.  Whoever wrote it was having some kind of fantasyland moment.

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boyleminer said:

Please show me examples of the misrepresentations and inaccuracies being made my excluded 

Read back through this thread, the total numbers, claims related to property grants, CJRS grants, etc. most of what has been claimed by "Excluded" in inaccurate. Note that no one is claiming that all people have been helped to an equal degree, but the campaign has also tried to claim that they have been offered "zero help" which is untrue.

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@boyleminer
Making threats of violence against people certainly will not help your cause.

boyleminer

Uxb1 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

To get NO support, you have to fall into ALL of those groups.  I do not believe that is 3 million people.
The coronavirus support schemes are unbelievably generous.  I have yet to meet any individual anywhere who is getting NO support, except for if they don't chose to claim the support that is available.

I'm one of those excluded and I full agree that I should NOT be getting any support.
I'm semi- early-retired doing part time self employed work such that my income from self employment is on average just less than half my full income from all sources. So I'm excluded by that reason - and to be honest quite right too. 
The Chancellor woudl probably describe my self employment as almost a hobby time employment.

I am one of the three million hard working tax payers excluded from any financial support whatsoever during this pandemic. Just because you don’t know any, that doesn’t mean we don’t exist. I worked on the northern line extension as a miner, digging tunnels by hand. On that project I was paid payee. When the tunnels  were finished I was laid off and went on to work on the bank station capacity upgrades doing similar work were I was paid as a self employed sub contractor. How I am paid is not my choice, it’s down to the main contractor. Please tell me why that is so wrong that me and my family should suffer financial hardship 

boyleminer

MadMattUK said:

@boyleminer
Making threats of violence against people certainly will not help your cause.

I am not threatening anyone. In fact due to a work related injury I would hurt myself if I were to punch someone. I am simply pointing out that I am not a troll who hides behind a false profile. My situation is real and I’m not hiding from anyone 

boyleminer

MadMattUK said:

boyleminer said:

Please show me examples of the misrepresentations and inaccuracies being made my excluded 

Read back through this thread, the total numbers, claims related to property grants, CJRS grants, etc. most of what has been claimed by "Excluded" in inaccurate. Note that no one is claiming that all people have been helped to an equal degree, but the campaign has also tried to claim that they have been offered "zero help" which is untrue.

You’re presenting a case but you’re failing to show me any evidence. Show me a large amount of people, part of excluded who are lying about their situation 

boyleminer

Uxb1 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

To get NO support, you have to fall into ALL of those groups.  I do not believe that is 3 million people.
The coronavirus support schemes are unbelievably generous.  I have yet to meet any individual anywhere who is getting NO support, except for if they don't chose to claim the support that is available.

I'm one of those excluded and I full agree that I should NOT be getting any support.
I'm semi- early-retired doing part time self employed work such that my income from self employment is on average just less than half my full income from all sources. So I'm excluded by that reason - and to be honest quite right too. 
The Chancellor woudl probably describe my self employment as almost a hobby time employment.

  I am one of the three million hard working tax payers excluded from any financial support whatsoever during this pandemic. Just because you don’t know any, that doesn’t mean we don’t exist. I worked on the northern line extension as a miner, digging tunnels by hand. On that project I was paid payee. When the tunnels  were finished I was laid off and went on to work on the bank station capacity upgrades doing similar work were I was paid as a self employed sub contractor. How I am paid is not my choice, it’s down to the main contractor. Please tell me why that is so wrong that me and my family should suffer financial hardship