Court Claim received, need a little reassurance that I'm in the right direction

Johnersh

They are not permitted to advance a claim that isn't in the particulars of claim. 

The rule about payment is presumably to prevent people parking, going away for a couple of hours and then coming back to the car and then paying for a shorter period, say 20 mins.

This is not what occurred here and the parking company knows it, since they have a vehicle log and record of payments, which reflect payment for the complete time period.

ParkingEye v Beavis (which every parking claimant loves to quote) is not a panacea. Its a supreme court judgment, but the charges that were permitted were highly specific to the circumstances.  It's worth looking at the supreme Court press summary to get your head round it, before turning to the relevant pages of the judgment. 

robertcox999

Thanks for the advice @Johnersh. I'll have a good read up before the hearing. On reading the particulars of claim again, they only mention that I was in breach of the terms of the signage, thus issuing the PCN. The PCN itself states it is due to not paying within 10 mins. Is that essentially the same implication then, and that's the only argument they are putting forward?


I've got my DQ now and planning to email it to CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk. I got it on the 24th, any time limits? I'm struggling to find the papers they sent due to a toddler, so doing it all online.


My local court is Lancaster Courthouse. Is there any reason to choose somewhere else, for example somewhere else is known to have more favourable outcomes?
Thanks folks

KeithP

robertcox999 said:

I got it on the 24th, any time limits?

Yes. Read the documentation that came with the DQ.
Missing the deadline is not a good idea.

Ralph-y

OK of further consideration

'quote by DJ Harvey'

"This signage contains a huge amount of wording, in varying fonts. There are
between 650 ta 700 words, by my rough count. its well known that the average
reading speed of most adults is aground 200 to 250 words per minute. On the basis
however that this is reading a sign and there are many technical words, it would
probably take an average reader about 3 to 4 minutes to read everything on the
sign. The key part however is fo be found some 140 words into the text. It is in the
middle of the sign and it says this, in capitals, then below it is a lower sized font
referring to the £100:

so , how many words where on the sign?

Ralph

robertcox999

KeithP said:

robertcox999 said:

I got it on the 24th, any time limits?

Yes. Read the documentation that came with the DQ.
Missing the deadline is not a good idea.

Ok found it, 13th July

robertcox999

Ralph-y said:

OK of further consideration

'quote by DJ Harvey'

"This signage contains a huge amount of wording, in varying fonts. There are
between 650 ta 700 words, by my rough count. its well known that the average
reading speed of most adults is aground 200 to 250 words per minute. On the basis
however that this is reading a sign and there are many technical words, it would
probably take an average reader about 3 to 4 minutes to read everything on the
sign. The key part however is fo be found some 140 words into the text. It is in the
middle of the sign and it says this, in capitals, then below it is a lower sized font
referring to the £100:

so , how many words where on the sign?

Ralph

Here are the signs - Signs around the car park, PDT machine sign and Entrance sign

robertcox999

Any info on Lancaster courthouse success rates?

nosferatu1001

So, how many words?

robertcox999

nosferatu1001 said:

So, how many words?

Ralph-y said:

so , how many words where on the sign?

150 words on the entrance sign (which says read PDT sign for full terms)
160 words on the PDT machine sign (which says read signs around the car park for full terms... I know, misleading..)
300 on each sign around the car park.
100 on the ANPR notice signs too, which I forgot about.

I could be justified in reading all of them as the entrance sign says to read the PDT machine terms which in turn tells you to read the signs around the car park.

So about 700 total.

nosferatu1001

yep, 710. Minimum of 3 minutes just to read the signs, never mind find and walk to each one.