Ellesmere College Don’t Tell The Truth On Sports Scholarships

waamo

pinkshoes said:

You will need proof of what you are claiming...

Their website does say “There are coaching sessions available throughout the year by a qualified PGA coach.” and “in addition to our own excellent nine hole course, we also have access to explanar swing developers, local driving range and experienced PGA coaches”. 

Has he had ANY sessions by a PGA coach? 

They way I interpreted it was that you could access a coach not that they were provided by the school. 

Dr_Crypto

Ellesmere College is a minor public school with a reasonable record of alumni who’ve found success as sportsmen. The education in minor public schools is pretty variable and probably no better than a good state school. All schools are having problems with online learning so that’s not unique to them. People I know with children in private schools are not receiving refunds.

You need to stop talking about fraud and lies and set out a list of what they have promised and what they delivered. Reading their website I think the PGA coaches are at additional cost rather than on their staff. 

Ultimately if they cannot deliver then you can withdraw your son and have him enrolled elsewhere from September. Even many state schools have good sports provision if money is an issue. 

Manxman_in_exile

Why on earth would any reasonable parent sell their house at a loss of £60k and move 120 miles so that their ten year-old son could attend Ellesmere College golf academy?  How many successful golf pros has this "academy" produced?

The kid'll probably grow up hating golf!

Are the solicitors no-win no-fee?  

EDIT: out of curiosity, how did you know the bus driver was unqualified to teach sport?  How did you know he was a bus driver?

diggingdude

As someone who went to a far superior private school close by Ellesmere college being pretty rubbish doesn't surprise me. Send your kid to Lakelands if you can't afford school fees

Blackbeard_of_Perranporth

Is this college a fraud. No! End of.

EllesmereCollege_fake

Manxman_in_exile said:

Why on earth would any reasonable parent sell their house at a loss of £60k and move 120 miles so that their ten year-old son could attend Ellesmere College golf academy?  How many successful golf pros has this "academy" produced?

The kid'll probably grow up hating golf!

Are the solicitors no-win no-fee?  

EDIT: out of curiosity, how did you know the bus driver was unqualified to teach sport?  How did you know he was a bus driver?

A couple of things here

1 - The school promised that they would provide coaches to him to assist him with his own golf program. The golf program was put together by professional PGA coaches, and paid for externally. 

2 - If you have a child playing elite sport you will appreciate the time commitment this requires, therefore the alleged fraud isn’t the marketing material on the website. It’s because they promised to provide qualified staff to support his own programme that was designed by his own coaches and they didn’t do this.

the reason for moving was because travelling your child 30/40 miles every day to golf takes it strain on every day living, so having a place where my son could go to school and access all his golf during the day was the attraction.

anyway, thanks for the advice - we will let our solicitors deal with it and the matter has also been reported to trading standards based on the false representations they made.

thanks for the feedback Diggingdude - we are looking at Lakeland’s, it’s not about not being able to pay the school fees, it’s more to do with not getting what we were promised.

anyway thanks again for the feedback, will let the solicitors and trading standards sort this mess out for us 

EllesmereCollege_fake

Grumpy_chap said:

EllesmereCollege_fake said:

As a sports school they left our child with an unqualified bus driver

Most PE tutors are not qualified bus drivers.

If that is not what you meant, then please be clearer about what was promised, what was delivered, and how you would like to see this resolved.

Any resolution has to be in the light of coronavirus impacting the provision at every school in the land.

Is the real issue a change in your financial circumstances?

No not at all a change in personal circumstances....

They promised to deliver support to his own Coaching program. The coaching program was designed by his own PGA coaches and paid for externally.

we met with the teaching staff, and the Deputy head before we moved and asked them to confirm they could support his coaching plan. We provided a 20 page document on what was involved in his program before we moved, went through a range of questions and then when we got there they didn’t provide what they were promised.

Instead of giving him a PE teacher or in fact any teacher who knew how to communicate with children, they gave him a person who had no formal teaching or coaching qualifications, we didn’t need a Golf Pro, however as a supposed elite school I don’t think providing someone who simply drives the school buses and has no formal teaching qualifications is acceptable.

anyway since I posted this, we’ve now got solicitors involved and reported the matter to trading standards. We’ve provided them with all the evidence of the emails and the conversations that took place before he joined Ellesmere and will leave them to sort it out. 

Dr_Crypto

Trading Standards will not be investigating a minor public school. Of that you can be sure. 

Manxman_in_exile

EllesmereCollege_fake said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Why on earth would any reasonable parent sell their house at a loss of £60k and move 120 miles so that their ten year-old son could attend Ellesmere College golf academy?  How many successful golf pros has this "academy" produced?

The kid'll probably grow up hating golf!

Are the solicitors no-win no-fee?  

EDIT: out of curiosity, how did you know the bus driver was unqualified to teach sport?  How did you know he was a bus driver?

A couple of things here

1 - The school promised that they would provide coaches to him to assist him with his own golf program. The golf program was put together by professional PGA coaches, and paid for externally. 

2 - If you have a child playing elite sport you will appreciate the time commitment this requires, therefore the alleged fraud isn’t the marketing material on the website. It’s because they promised to provide qualified staff to support his own programme that was designed by his own coaches and they didn’t do this.

the reason for moving was because travelling your child 30/40 miles every day to golf takes it strain on every day living, so having a place where my son could go to school and access all his golf during the day was the attraction.

anyway, thanks for the advice - we will let our solicitors deal with it and the matter has also been reported to trading standards based on the false representations they made.

thanks for the feedback Diggingdude - we are looking at Lakeland’s, it’s not about not being able to pay the school fees, it’s more to do with not getting what we were promised.

anyway thanks again for the feedback, will let the solicitors and trading standards sort this mess out for us 

I don't wish to appear critical, but your son is only ten years old.  Isn't that a bit early for him (or perhaps for you) to decide that he's going to devote so much of his time and pre-teenage development to playing golf?  And it sounds as if he's not going to be playing golf - he'll be following a coaching programme - which, bizarrely, has been drawn up by PGA coaches not employed at the "academy" that will be providing the programme(!).

At the age of ten, how can your son (or you for that matter) know that this is the best way for him to spend his extra-curricula time?  I can imagine that far more budding professionals have been put off "elite" sport for ever by being immersed in it so completely at such an early age than have ever made a success of it, or even enjoyed it.  I'm a golf devotee and your son might be the next best thing since Tiger Woods*, but it's no way for a ten year old to spend their time.

Sorry - I have ended up sounding critical and judgmental, but it doesn't sound right to me for a ten year old.

*  And I don't think Earl Woods did his son any favours either.

EllesmereCollege_fake

Manxman_in_exile said:

EllesmereCollege_fake said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

Why on earth would any reasonable parent sell their house at a loss of £60k and move 120 miles so that their ten year-old son could attend Ellesmere College golf academy?  How many successful golf pros has this "academy" produced?

The kid'll probably grow up hating golf!

Are the solicitors no-win no-fee?  

EDIT: out of curiosity, how did you know the bus driver was unqualified to teach sport?  How did you know he was a bus driver?

A couple of things here

1 - The school promised that they would provide coaches to him to assist him with his own golf program. The golf program was put together by professional PGA coaches, and paid for externally. 

2 - If you have a child playing elite sport you will appreciate the time commitment this requires, therefore the alleged fraud isn’t the marketing material on the website. It’s because they promised to provide qualified staff to support his own programme that was designed by his own coaches and they didn’t do this.

the reason for moving was because travelling your child 30/40 miles every day to golf takes it strain on every day living, so having a place where my son could go to school and access all his golf during the day was the attraction.

anyway, thanks for the advice - we will let our solicitors deal with it and the matter has also been reported to trading standards based on the false representations they made.

thanks for the feedback Diggingdude - we are looking at Lakeland’s, it’s not about not being able to pay the school fees, it’s more to do with not getting what we were promised.

anyway thanks again for the feedback, will let the solicitors and trading standards sort this mess out for us 

I don't wish to appear critical, but your son is only ten years old.  Isn't that a bit early for him (or perhaps for you) to decide that he's going to devote so much of his time and pre-teenage development to playing golf?  And it sounds as if he's not going to be playing golf - he'll be following a coaching programme - which, bizarrely, has been drawn up by PGA coaches not employed at the "academy" that will be providing the programme(!).

At the age of ten, how can your son (or you for that matter) know that this is the best way for him to spend his extra-curricula time?  I can imagine that far more budding professionals have been put off "elite" sport for ever by being immersed in it so completely at such an early age than have ever made a success of it, or even enjoyed it.  I'm a golf devotee and your son might be the next best thing since Tiger Woods*, but it's no way for a ten year old to spend their time.

Sorry - I have ended up sounding critical and judgmental, but it doesn't sound right to me for a ten year old.

*  And I don't think Earl Woods did his son any favours either.

If I’d wanted advice regarding parenting I would have perhaps posted the question on a Parent forum! Lol

You have no idea of our personal situation and what other sports our child plays. As you feel the need to offer parenting advice just for reference, he also plays cricket 8 hours a week, football at the weekend and spend hours on his PS4 and watching his favourite football team as he’s a season ticket holder - so I think when you balance it all out he’s in a good place.... and given he is the one who wants to do so much with his golf and if you ask him what he wants to be, and he replies with “be a golf pro” if it’s all the same I’ll follow a path that he wants and professional advisors have suggested.

The question was simply related to.....

when you’ve been told one thing, and you were told this to get you to part with your money and we relied on those representations and then moved house - was this fraud?

 Based on our solicitors advice we have a very strong case, given we have 60 email exchanges.