New UK Government policy paper 'Staying alert and safe (social distancing)' 11th May 2020

neilmcl

poppy12345 said:

I still think there's a lot of questions that still need answers. Boris has confused so many people.

I also don't understand the part where you can meet 1 person of another household providing you keep 2 meters apart but can't go to their house, even if that person of another household doesn't go out.

My daughter has a learning disability and ASD. She doesn't understand why she can no longer see her older sister. The person that she trusts most in the world and she's suffering massively because of this. We are adults and i think it's about time they allowed us to at least see immediate family, parents/children/grand children for eg.

Because if you go to someone's house and your infected there's a higher risk that you may leave the virus on surfaces there whereas meeting outside, and in a neutral environment this is largely irrelevant.

From I'm reading you will be able to meet family members as long as it's done outside and following the normal social distance rules. That's said you should still restrict your contact with elderly relatives.

Gonna-be-debt-free

Interesting to read between the lines on page 39 "Outbreaks amongst the socially excluded - whether through poverty or homelessness - are likely to be especially difficult to detect and harmful, since people in these groups may lack the means to isolate themselves when ill."

Sounds like we are planning on chucking homeless people back out on the streets then?

Grumpy_chap

poppy12345 said:

My daughter has a learning disability and ASD. She doesn't understand why she can no longer see her older sister. The person that she trusts most in the world and she's suffering massively because of this. 

I think, particularly with the new rules permitting you to enjoy the fresh air and meet others, subject to social distancing, it is reasonable that your daughter and her older sister can meet each other.  Even if this is flexing the rules, you have to take a judgement call that protects your daughter's mental health, while also not contributing to the spread of Coronavirus.  Obviously, if it is to the other end of the country for them to see each other, that will influence your judgement call.

sharpe106

Gonna-be-debt-free said:

 
Sounds like we are planning on chucking homeless people back out on the streets then?

Did you really expect them not to?, I am sure most things will go back to normal after the virus has gone. 

Gonna-be-debt-free

sharpe106 said:

Gonna-be-debt-free said:

 
Sounds like we are planning on chucking homeless people back out on the streets then?

Did you really expect them not to?, I am sure most things will go back to normal after the virus has gone. 

During an active pandemic, no I expected (regardless or morality or compassion) the homeless population to be treated as a potential disease vector.

Andy_L

Gonna-be-debt-free said:

sharpe106 said:

Gonna-be-debt-free said:

 
Sounds like we are planning on chucking homeless people back out on the streets then?

Did you really expect them not to?, I am sure most things will go back to normal after the virus has gone. 

During an active pandemic, no I expected (regardless or morality or compassion) the homeless population to be treated as a potential disease vector.

LAs were told to round the homeless up. No idea how successful they were

Thrugelmir

Andy_L said:

Gonna-be-debt-free said:

sharpe106 said:

Gonna-be-debt-free said:

 
Sounds like we are planning on chucking homeless people back out on the streets then?

Did you really expect them not to?, I am sure most things will go back to normal after the virus has gone. 

During an active pandemic, no I expected (regardless or morality or compassion) the homeless population to be treated as a potential disease vector.

LAs were told to round the homeless up. No idea how successful they were

In local hotels here. Except the ones who refuse assistance. 

NeilCr

Thrugelmir said:

poppy12345 said:

I also don't understand the part where you can meet 1 person of another household providing you keep 2 meters apart but can't go to their house, even if that person of another household doesn't go out. 

Chances of catching the virus outdoors based on research from China suggests it's minimal. Providing SD is maintained. A very straightforward message. No confusion. 

But you aren't allowed to sit in anyone's garden either

As I have said elsewhere I would feel much safer sitting (socially distanced) in my partner's garden than I would meeting her in a crowded park. 

Sea_Shell

If they go down the household "bubble" route, who will be your mutually exclusive bubble buddies?

I can imagine the arguments already...it should be my parents...no, my parents, no, our daughter, no, our son.  If you already share parenting, you already have a bubble, no "extras" allowed!

calcotti

NeilCr said: But you aren't allowed to sit in anyone's garden either

Can't see any reason not to sit in a garden if it is accessible without going through the house (ie front garden or rear garden with access).