New UK Government policy paper 'Staying alert and safe (social distancing)' 11th May 2020

NeilCr

Sea_Shell said:

If they go down the household "bubble" route, who will be your mutually exclusive bubble buddies?

I can imagine the arguments already...it should be my parents...no, my parents, no, our daughter, no, our son.  If you already share parenting, you already have a bubble, no "extras" allowed!

It certainly would be difficult for singles living on their own like me.

My partner and BFF (the two people I would most like to see)  both have children and grandchildren and, quite rightly, they are above me on their priority list. I have no single, without other attachment friends living locally. While I can see the idea of "a bubble" it could increase pressure on the lonely and isolated. 

NeilCr

calcotti said:

NeilCr said: But you aren't allowed to sit in anyone's garden either

Can't see any reason not to sit in a garden if it is accessible without going through the house (ie front garden or rear garden with access).

Me either

However from the Independent today

"Explaining further its reasoning for allowing people to meet only one person from outside their household outside, the PM's spokesman said: "Since we introduced the social distancing guidelines they have been very clear that you shouldn't have gatherings of more than two people, unless they are from the same household.

"So we are maintaining a consistent approach, the public understand that, they have been respecting it since March.

"We are keeping that rule in relation to no more than two people in a gathering in place."

Asked whether the meetings could take place in private gardens, the Number 10 spokesman added: "No, it has to be a public space.""

Sea_Shell

NeilCr said:

Sea_Shell said:

If they go down the household "bubble" route, who will be your mutually exclusive bubble buddies?

I can imagine the arguments already...it should be my parents...no, my parents, no, our daughter, no, our son.  If you already share parenting, you already have a bubble, no "extras" allowed!

It certainly would be difficult for singles living on their own like me.

My partner and BFF (the two people I would most like to see)  both have children and grandchildren and, quite rightly, they are above me on their priority list. I have no single, without other attachment friends living locally. While I can see the idea of "a bubble" it could increase pressure on the lonely and isolated. 

As a couple, we're basically the same.  We don't have kids, and all our family would have to "choose" the others above us.  

We're open to "bubbling" with someone who lives at the seaside!!!

I can see it now, a bubble buddies matching app!!

calcotti

NeilCr said: Asked whether the meetings could take place in private gardens, the Number 10 spokesman added: "No, it has to be a public space.""

Well that’s not what the guidance says - brilliant job of clearly explaining their intentions!

neilmcl

NeilCr said:

calcotti said:

NeilCr said: But you aren't allowed to sit in anyone's garden either

Can't see any reason not to sit in a garden if it is accessible without going through the house (ie front garden or rear garden with access).

Me either

However from the Independent today

"Explaining further its reasoning for allowing people to meet only one person from outside their household outside, the PM's spokesman said: "Since we introduced the social distancing guidelines they have been very clear that you shouldn't have gatherings of more than two people, unless they are from the same household.

"So we are maintaining a consistent approach, the public understand that, they have been respecting it since March.

"We are keeping that rule in relation to no more than two people in a gathering in place."

Asked whether the meetings could take place in private gardens, the Number 10 spokesman added: "No, it has to be a public space.""

I suppose they're trying to stop the situation where families are meeting up at their houses to have parties and BBQs etc which will be incredibly difficult to police otherwise.

NeilCr

neilmcl said:

NeilCr said:

calcotti said:

NeilCr said: But you aren't allowed to sit in anyone's garden either

Can't see any reason not to sit in a garden if it is accessible without going through the house (ie front garden or rear garden with access).

Me either

However from the Independent today

"Explaining further its reasoning for allowing people to meet only one person from outside their household outside, the PM's spokesman said: "Since we introduced the social distancing guidelines they have been very clear that you shouldn't have gatherings of more than two people, unless they are from the same household.

"So we are maintaining a consistent approach, the public understand that, they have been respecting it since March.

"We are keeping that rule in relation to no more than two people in a gathering in place."

Asked whether the meetings could take place in private gardens, the Number 10 spokesman added: "No, it has to be a public space.""

I suppose they're trying to stop the situation where families are meeting up at their houses to have parties and BBQs etc which will be incredibly difficult to police otherwise.

Possibly

Speaking as someone who lives in a seaside town I'd have more respect for that line of reasoning if they hadn't pretty much opened up our beaches and parks to lots of other people. 

In the end most of it is impossible to police anyway. 

Andy_L

calcotti said:

NeilCr said: Asked whether the meetings could take place in private gardens, the Number 10 spokesman added: "No, it has to be a public space.""

Well that’s not what the guidance says - brilliant job of clearly explaining their intentions!

It does say you can't vist them in their home. But you do then have to go to the legislation to see that the definition of "home" includes gardens

Fire_Fox

calcotti said:

NeilCr said: But you aren't allowed to sit in anyone's garden either

Can't see any reason not to sit in a garden if it is accessible without going through the house (ie front garden or rear garden with access).

Likely to avoid the temptation/ reason/ excuse to go into the property and/ or share items from their home.

Pop your jacket and valuables somewhere safe, handle a chair, go to the toilet and wash your hands, help carry drinks and snacks, put a mug or glass to your mouth, sneeze and wash your hands, still in the garden when partner/ housemate comes home, shelter from a rain shower, have a quickie .....

YOU might not, but plenty would do one or more of these.

Hermann

neilmcl said:

poppy12345 said:

I still think there's a lot of questions that still need answers. Boris has confused so many people.

I also don't understand the part where you can meet 1 person of another household providing you keep 2 meters apart but can't go to their house, even if that person of another household doesn't go out.

My daughter has a learning disability and ASD. She doesn't understand why she can no longer see her older sister. The person that she trusts most in the world and she's suffering massively because of this. We are adults and i think it's about time they allowed us to at least see immediate family, parents/children/grand children for eg.

Because if you go to someone's house and your infected there's a higher risk that you may leave the virus on surfaces there whereas meeting outside, and in a neutral environment this is largely irrelevant.

From I'm reading you will be able to meet family members as long as it's done outside and following the normal social distance rules. That's said you should still restrict your contact with elderly relatives.

Meetings are limited to a max of two whilst social distancing, so you can only meet one other person even if distancing.