Social distancing at work

bradders1983

nic_c said:

bradders1983 said:

onwards&upwards said:

If you refuse to work you will have no right to get paid. 

This thread yet another example of how the furlough scheme is a farce. Everyone should have been put on Universal Credit, they will be desperate to go back into work then.

No,the problem is a misunderstanding of the furlough scheme not the idea of 80% itself. The French have an unemployment system where people get paid closer to their actual wage as it allows people to get back into work (it is only for a fixed period).

The furlough scheme has allowed companies to shut and minimise the public's own financial circumstances. Forcing people onto UC would have overwhelmed the system, bankrupted companies as they would have had to make redundancy payment, and been an overall nightmare. 

The problem is no clear guidelines yet as to what happens next. We need to be given an end date for the furlough scheme (even if it's sector based) and it be made clear when people are asked to return to work they either do or it's treated as a breach of employment contract and they just go onto UC.

Ok then, the furlough scheme should have provided less than 80% then. Half at most.

Would certainly lead to less people gripeing about having to go back in (the horror!)

Splatfoot

bradders1983 said:

onwards&upwards said:

If you refuse to work you will have no right to get paid. 

This thread yet another example of how the furlough scheme is a farce. Everyone should have been put on Universal Credit, they will be desperate to go back into work then.

It's not a farce. Most people will be glad to get back to some sort of normality. What would have happened if the Government hadn't stepped in? People would have continued to work, keep places of business open because they would have had no choice. It would have led to civil unrest which every Government fears.

Dr_Crypto

Have you asked about PPE? Face masks would be one solution although the government isn't yet recommending them outside of medical facilities. 
A lot of people (including me) have had to continue working without social distancing. 

onwards&upwards

bradders1983 said:

nic_c said:

bradders1983 said:

onwards&upwards said:

If you refuse to work you will have no right to get paid. 

This thread yet another example of how the furlough scheme is a farce. Everyone should have been put on Universal Credit, they will be desperate to go back into work then.

No,the problem is a misunderstanding of the furlough scheme not the idea of 80% itself. The French have an unemployment system where people get paid closer to their actual wage as it allows people to get back into work (it is only for a fixed period).

The furlough scheme has allowed companies to shut and minimise the public's own financial circumstances. Forcing people onto UC would have overwhelmed the system, bankrupted companies as they would have had to make redundancy payment, and been an overall nightmare. 

The problem is no clear guidelines yet as to what happens next. We need to be given an end date for the furlough scheme (even if it's sector based) and it be made clear when people are asked to return to work they either do or it's treated as a breach of employment contract and they just go onto UC.

Ok then, the furlough scheme should have provided less than 80% then. Half at most.

Would certainly lead to less people gripeing about having to go back in (the horror!)

So you think the point of the scheme was not to save jobs and businesses but to keep the workers in line and suitably grateful?

bradders1983

onwards&upwards said:

bradders1983 said:

nic_c said:

bradders1983 said:

onwards&upwards said:

If you refuse to work you will have no right to get paid. 

This thread yet another example of how the furlough scheme is a farce. Everyone should have been put on Universal Credit, they will be desperate to go back into work then.

No,the problem is a misunderstanding of the furlough scheme not the idea of 80% itself. The French have an unemployment system where people get paid closer to their actual wage as it allows people to get back into work (it is only for a fixed period).

The furlough scheme has allowed companies to shut and minimise the public's own financial circumstances. Forcing people onto UC would have overwhelmed the system, bankrupted companies as they would have had to make redundancy payment, and been an overall nightmare. 

The problem is no clear guidelines yet as to what happens next. We need to be given an end date for the furlough scheme (even if it's sector based) and it be made clear when people are asked to return to work they either do or it's treated as a breach of employment contract and they just go onto UC.

Ok then, the furlough scheme should have provided less than 80% then. Half at most.

Would certainly lead to less people gripeing about having to go back in (the horror!)

So you think the point of the scheme was not to save jobs and businesses but to keep the workers in line and suitably grateful?

I never said any of that. My only point is a side effect of the scheme has seen millions of people think its a paid holiday and the thought of going back into work clearly horrifies them.

onwards&upwards

bradders1983 said:

onwards&upwards said:

bradders1983 said:

nic_c said:

bradders1983 said:

onwards&upwards said:

If you refuse to work you will have no right to get paid. 

This thread yet another example of how the furlough scheme is a farce. Everyone should have been put on Universal Credit, they will be desperate to go back into work then.

No,the problem is a misunderstanding of the furlough scheme not the idea of 80% itself. The French have an unemployment system where people get paid closer to their actual wage as it allows people to get back into work (it is only for a fixed period).

The furlough scheme has allowed companies to shut and minimise the public's own financial circumstances. Forcing people onto UC would have overwhelmed the system, bankrupted companies as they would have had to make redundancy payment, and been an overall nightmare. 

The problem is no clear guidelines yet as to what happens next. We need to be given an end date for the furlough scheme (even if it's sector based) and it be made clear when people are asked to return to work they either do or it's treated as a breach of employment contract and they just go onto UC.

Ok then, the furlough scheme should have provided less than 80% then. Half at most.

Would certainly lead to less people gripeing about having to go back in (the horror!)

So you think the point of the scheme was not to save jobs and businesses but to keep the workers in line and suitably grateful?

I never said any of that. My only point is a side effect of the scheme has seen millions of people think its a paid holiday and the thought of going back into work clearly horrifies them.

And my point is, so what? 

bradders1983

Its annoying, thats what. Especially when millions are carrying on working and many putting themselves in danger 

Ingrates.

PixelPound

bradders1983 said:

nic_c said:

bradders1983 said:

onwards&upwards said:

If you refuse to work you will have no right to get paid. 

This thread yet another example of how the furlough scheme is a farce. Everyone should have been put on Universal Credit, they will be desperate to go back into work then.

No,the problem is a misunderstanding of the furlough scheme not the idea of 80% itself. The French have an unemployment system where people get paid closer to their actual wage as it allows people to get back into work (it is only for a fixed period).

The furlough scheme has allowed companies to shut and minimise the public's own financial circumstances. Forcing people onto UC would have overwhelmed the system, bankrupted companies as they would have had to make redundancy payment, and been an overall nightmare. 

The problem is no clear guidelines yet as to what happens next. We need to be given an end date for the furlough scheme (even if it's sector based) and it be made clear when people are asked to return to work they either do or it's treated as a breach of employment contract and they just go onto UC.

Ok then, the furlough scheme should have provided less than 80% then. Half at most.

Would certainly lead to less people gripeing about having to go back in (the horror!)

If it had only been half, then it would not have been accepted as much. Maybe going forward reducing it, but that was not what the initial idea behind it was for. Whilst you may here some people on here griping about going back, I think the vast majority of people just want to get back to work - to get to some semblance of normality.

Splatfoot said:

bradders1983 said:

onwards&upwards said:

If you refuse to work you will have no right to get paid. 

This thread yet another example of how the furlough scheme is a farce. Everyone should have been put on Universal Credit, they will be desperate to go back into work then.

It's not a farce. Most people will be glad to get back to some sort of normality. What would have happened if the Government hadn't stepped in? People would have continued to work, keep places of business open because they would have had no choice. It would have led to civil unrest which every Government fears.

Exactly, it wen't smoothly because people accepted it was the right thing to do. If they hadn't done anything, there would have been an unrest against a "Tory government" who was putting "economy before peoples lives". Some companies would have tried to defy the orders, because otherwise they known it would be the end of their business. 

onwards&upwards

bradders1983 said:

Its annoying, thats what. Especially when millions are carrying on working and many putting themselves in danger 

Ingrates.

So it’s all about you?

I work in the NHS, I don’t mind that people in jobs less fulfilling than mine are enjoying a bit of a break.  I’d rather that than they were plunged into poverty, or still out at work creating more and more C19 cases every day. 

bradders1983

onwards&upwards said:

bradders1983 said:

Its annoying, thats what. Especially when millions are carrying on working and many putting themselves in danger 

Ingrates.

So it’s all about you?

I work in the NHS, I don’t mind that people in jobs less fulfilling than mine are enjoying a bit of a break.  I’d rather that than they were plunged into poverty, or still out at work creating more and more C19 cases every day. 

Not about me at all. I would just like people to be greatful they have been bailed out and arent seeing a return to work as an inconvenience, as some thread starters clearly have. "Waaah waaah waaah how much notice do they have to give waaah waaah waaah I am going back and he isnt, that isnt fair waaah waah waah!"