Employees rights

bradders1983

Its not pedanty at all. It just shows you have a poor grasp of statistics .

sharpe106

Jayjay08 said:

bradders1983 said:

They are essential to the fight, her business isn’t.

Who pays for the NHS? Without companies making money they be no money for the NHS to fight the virus. So every company is essential in its own way. They all contribute to the effort some more obviously then others. 

Jayjay08

Grumpy_chap said:

Jayjay08 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

It was only a specific set of businesses (mostly accessed by the public) that were instructed to close.

For everyone else it was, if you can work from home then do, but otherwise you can still go to work if you follow social distancing etc.  Initially a lot of companies that could stay open closed while their management teams worked out how they could get going again with the social distancing etc.  It was "essential travel only" but that included going to work if you were unable to work from home and the business was still open.

Those companies are now getting going again, which is good.  I strongly suspect any employee refusing to attend could well be in breach of contract and also, if the size of the business contracts, likely to be the first to support that contraction.

There could be exemptions for those that are shielding for example.

Why is it that you don't want to go back?

Basically  she doesn’t feel safe, the country has only turned a very small corner, the highest death rate in Europe ?? 

The social distancing is nigh on impossible at the company. People sharing tools, workbenches, toilets, Dining areas, locker rooms etc. 

Did you / she as whether there are any changes that mean the concerns are overcome? I doubt the management spent several weeks at home twiddling their thumbs and then, out of the blue, just said "let's all go back exactly as before and it will all be hunky dory"

That’s exactly what she thinks they’ve done.

sharpe106

If they have or have not it not the point. She can either refuse to attend and they can decide if they will pay her or not or she can go and see what they have implemented and discuss it with them if it is not enough. 

Dr_Crypto

This sounds like some sort of manufacturing outfit. They haven't been ordered closed (at least not in England) but have to comply with the social distancing regulations like they do with any aspect of H&S (e.g. dust, noise, etc). 
If she doesn't feel safe she needs to discuss those concerns either directly or via a union. The employer may well have taken appropriate steps (other manufacturers have) including PPE, staggered shifts and breaks, rearranged shop floor, etc.
Ultimately other workers have had to continue working, so why shouldn't she?

Jayjay08

bradders1983 said:

Its not pedanty at all. It just shows you have a poor grasp of statistics .

Poor grasp of statistics?? 

 I’m merely repeating what the government/sky news  have told us, 
we have the highest death toll in Europe due to the virus 

PixelPound

Jayjay08 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Jayjay08 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

It was only a specific set of businesses (mostly accessed by the public) that were instructed to close.

For everyone else it was, if you can work from home then do, but otherwise you can still go to work if you follow social distancing etc.  Initially a lot of companies that could stay open closed while their management teams worked out how they could get going again with the social distancing etc.  It was "essential travel only" but that included going to work if you were unable to work from home and the business was still open.

Those companies are now getting going again, which is good.  I strongly suspect any employee refusing to attend could well be in breach of contract and also, if the size of the business contracts, likely to be the first to support that contraction.

There could be exemptions for those that are shielding for example.

Why is it that you don't want to go back?

Basically  she doesn’t feel safe, the country has only turned a very small corner, the highest death rate in Europe ?? 

The social distancing is nigh on impossible at the company. People sharing tools, workbenches, toilets, Dining areas, locker rooms etc. 

Did you / she as whether there are any changes that mean the concerns are overcome? I doubt the management spent several weeks at home twiddling their thumbs and then, out of the blue, just said "let's all go back exactly as before and it will all be hunky dory"

That’s exactly what she thinks they’ve done.

Rather than just thinking, has she queried if any measures are been taken. After all it could be a worry over nothing. The company may well take her concerns into consideration, e.g. allow her to have time off without pay for an agreed amount of time and then review the situation, if she feels unhappy to return.

We don't know how the lockdown is going to be eased yet, but most are in agreement that social distancing will be kept for longer, so surely any company will have to take that into consideration. Companies could well open themselves to action if they don't.

bradders1983

Jayjay08 said:

bradders1983 said:

Its not pedanty at all. It just shows you have a poor grasp of statistics .

Poor grasp of statistics?? 

 I’m merely repeating what the government/sky news  have told us, 
we have the highest death toll in Europe due to the virus 

And that stat is utterly meaningless in isolation. 

sharpe106

In many jobs social distancing is impossible. They can only do things to minimise it. 

Jayjay08

bradders1983 said:

Jayjay08 said:

bradders1983 said:

Its not pedanty at all. It just shows you have a poor grasp of statistics .

Poor grasp of statistics?? 

 I’m merely repeating what the government/sky news  have told us, 
we have the highest death toll in Europe due to the virus 

And that stat is utterly meaningless in isolation. 

Nevertheless, that’s the official stat, and that’s what I was repeating, so my grasp of stats is bears no relevance, so how about have a couple hours away from the internet eh.