Employees rights

Grumpy_chap

Whether intentionally or not, this looks like another thread of someone saying they are comfortable enough at home enjoying the summer and being paid 80%, so no thanks, they don't want to bother returning to work.

I did ask the OP in my first response "Why is it you don't want to go back?" - they have avoided answering.

All I can say is, if the employer needs to make redundancies in the near future, those that want to work and went back willingly and obligingly are likely not going to be the first to collect P45.

Jayjay08

bradders1983 said:

If the people in the OPs example were only on Universal Credit, would they even be questioning it?
They would be running back as quick as they could. Giving people 80% to do sod all has turned the nation into a workshy nation too lazy to turn Netflix off and go back to work.

As an aside, the anount of people who have misunderstood the governments instructions is amazing.

Give your head a wobble mate! 

bradders1983

Jayjay08 said:

bradders1983 said:

If the people in the OPs example were only on Universal Credit, would they even be questioning it?
They would be running back as quick as they could. Giving people 80% to do sod all has turned the nation into a workshy nation too lazy to turn Netflix off and go back to work.

As an aside, the anount of people who have misunderstood the governments instructions is amazing.

Give your head a wobble mate! 

Au contraire. Sounds like your female friend needs to. 

Jayjay08

Grumpy_chap said:

Whether intentionally or not, this looks like another thread of someone saying they are comfortable enough at home enjoying the summer and being paid 80%, so no thanks, they don't want to bother returning to work.

I did ask the OP in my first response "Why is it you don't want to go back?" - they have avoided answering.

All I can say is, if the employer needs to make redundancies in the near future, those that want to work and went back willingly and obligingly are likely not going to be the first to collect P45.

No I never, I answered you in my first reply

bradders1983

Jayjay08 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Whether intentionally or not, this looks like another thread of someone saying they are comfortable enough at home enjoying the summer and being paid 80%, so no thanks, they don't want to bother returning to work.

I did ask the OP in my first response "Why is it you don't want to go back?" - they have avoided answering.

All I can say is, if the employer needs to make redundancies in the near future, those that want to work and went back willingly and obligingly are likely not going to be the first to collect P45.

No I never, I answered you in my first reply

I suppose all the NHS staff, care workers, bus drivers, supermarket staff, etc.... dont feel very safe either but on they plod.

Imagine you are an employer with 2 employees on the same pay and the same productivity.  One comes straight back to work, and another moans about it and kicks up a fuss. A few weeks later you have to make one redundant. Who do you get rid of?

p00hsticks

Jayjay08 said:

Basically  she doesn’t feel safe, the country has only turned a very small corner, the highest death rate in Europe ?? 

The social distancing is nigh on impossible at the company. People sharing tools, workbenches, toilets, Dining areas, locker rooms etc. 

The UK does not have 'the highest death rate in Europe'. It (arguably) has the highest number of deaths, but as it is the second most populous country in Europe that statistic, whilst sad, is not entirely unexpected.

If your acquaintance feels that she has health and safelty concerns that have not been adequately addressed when returning to work then she needs to raise these with the appropriate employer representatives, either directly or via her trade union, if she is a member of one.

None of the concerns you mention are insurmountable. The company should be providing soap and hand sanitiser, ensuring commonly touched shared items such as tools, benches, door handles, light switches etc are frequently cleaned, and putting steps in place to ensure that social distancing can be practised in places such as dining areas and locker rooms (e.g. staggering lunch breaks and shift changes)

Jayjay08

bradders1983 said:

Jayjay08 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Whether intentionally or not, this looks like another thread of someone saying they are comfortable enough at home enjoying the summer and being paid 80%, so no thanks, they don't want to bother returning to work.

I did ask the OP in my first response "Why is it you don't want to go back?" - they have avoided answering.

All I can say is, if the employer needs to make redundancies in the near future, those that want to work and went back willingly and obligingly are likely not going to be the first to collect P45.

No I never, I answered you in my first reply

I suppose all the NHS staff, care workers, bus drivers, supermarket staff, etc.... dont feel very safe either but on they plod.

Imagine you are an employer with 2 employees on the same pay and the same productivity.  One comes straight back to work, and another moans about it and kicks up a fuss. A few weeks later you have to make one redundant. Who do you get rid of?

They are essential to the fight, her business isn’t.

bradders1983

Jayjay08 said:

bradders1983 said:

Jayjay08 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Whether intentionally or not, this looks like another thread of someone saying they are comfortable enough at home enjoying the summer and being paid 80%, so no thanks, they don't want to bother returning to work.

I did ask the OP in my first response "Why is it you don't want to go back?" - they have avoided answering.

All I can say is, if the employer needs to make redundancies in the near future, those that want to work and went back willingly and obligingly are likely not going to be the first to collect P45.

No I never, I answered you in my first reply

I suppose all the NHS staff, care workers, bus drivers, supermarket staff, etc.... dont feel very safe either but on they plod.

Imagine you are an employer with 2 employees on the same pay and the same productivity.  One comes straight back to work, and another moans about it and kicks up a fuss. A few weeks later you have to make one redundant. Who do you get rid of?

They are essential to the fight, her business isn’t.

Right so she just wants to sit at home on 80% for months on end then whilst the economy crumbles around her. Got it.

Jayjay08

p00hsticks said:

Jayjay08 said:

Basically  she doesn’t feel safe, the country has only turned a very small corner, the highest death rate in Europe ?? 

The social distancing is nigh on impossible at the company. People sharing tools, workbenches, toilets, Dining areas, locker rooms etc. 

The UK does not have 'the highest death rate in Europe'. It (arguably) has the highest number of deaths, but as it is the second most populous country in Europe that statistic, whilst sad, is not entirely unexpected.

If your acquaintance feels that she has health and safelty concerns that have not been adequately addressed when returning to work then she needs to raise these with the appropriate employer representatives, either directly or via her trade union, if she is a member of one.

None of the concerns you mention are insurmountable. The company should be providing soap and hand sanitiser, ensuring commonly touched shared items such as tools, benches, door handles, light switches etc are frequently cleaned, and putting steps in place to ensure that social distancing can be practised in places such as dining areas and locker rooms (e.g. staggering lunch breaks and shift changes)

A bit pedantic there.
the last comments though, I can touch on that for one of her reasons, before lockdown the company provided hand sanitisers which I’m presuming because of the shortage in shops, were duly stolen, when reported, nobody wanted to know. 

Grumpy_chap

Jayjay08 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

It was only a specific set of businesses (mostly accessed by the public) that were instructed to close.

For everyone else it was, if you can work from home then do, but otherwise you can still go to work if you follow social distancing etc.  Initially a lot of companies that could stay open closed while their management teams worked out how they could get going again with the social distancing etc.  It was "essential travel only" but that included going to work if you were unable to work from home and the business was still open.

Those companies are now getting going again, which is good.  I strongly suspect any employee refusing to attend could well be in breach of contract and also, if the size of the business contracts, likely to be the first to support that contraction.

There could be exemptions for those that are shielding for example.

Why is it that you don't want to go back?

Basically  she doesn’t feel safe, the country has only turned a very small corner, the highest death rate in Europe ?? 

The social distancing is nigh on impossible at the company. People sharing tools, workbenches, toilets, Dining areas, locker rooms etc. 

Did you / she as whether there are any changes that mean the concerns are overcome? I doubt the management spent several weeks at home twiddling their thumbs and then, out of the blue, just said "let's all go back exactly as before and it will all be hunky dory"