We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

IMPORTANT: Please make sure your posts do not contain any personally identifiable information (both your own and that of others). When uploading images, please take care that you have redacted all personal information including number plates, reference numbers and QR codes (which may reveal vehicle information when scanned).
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

UKPC NTK

24

Comments

  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,645 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    Once it's past 56 days after the day after the parking event with no compliant NtK served, they are up the creek without a paddle - as POPLA will eventually tell them in their decision following your POPLA appeal. 

    Appeal to UKPC once past 56 days
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Tea_biscuits
    Tea_biscuits Posts: 102 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    edited 6 May 2020 at 9:44PM
    Redx said:
    unlikely, a keeper has 28 days to appeal an NTK , so maybe appeal in 16 days or so ?
    Does the RK appeal now or wait until day 26/27 or does this not have any relevance? 
  • Fruitcake
    Fruitcake Posts: 59,471 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    edited 6 May 2020 at 8:55PM
    Appeal now as already advised. Include a one liner if you wish that the NTK is non PoFA compliant (double check as you have not shown us the back of the NTK).

    If/when it is rejected, appeal to PoPLA as already advised.

    Please answer the questions you have already been asked. 
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister. :D
    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
    "You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
    Eighth Anniversary 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    I would appeal on friday 22 may personally , as keeper, using the blue text template and adding a short paragraph stating that UKPC have failed to comply with POFA so as keeper you have no liability and they should cancel the pcn
  • Fruitcake
    Fruitcake Posts: 59,471 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    Redx said:
    I would appeal on friday 22 may personally , as keeper, using the blue text template and adding a short paragraph stating that UKPC have failed to comply with POFA so as keeper you have no liability and they should cancel the pcn
    Why wait? 
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister. :D
    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
    "You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks
  • Tea_biscuits
    Tea_biscuits Posts: 102 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    Fruitcake said:
    Appeal now as already advised. Include a one liner if you wish that the NTK is non PoFA compliant (double check as you have not shown us the back of the NTK).

    If/when it is rejected, appeal to PoPLA as already advised.

    Please answer the questions you have already been asked. 

  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
    Eighth Anniversary 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    edited 6 May 2020 at 9:04PM
    Fruitcake said:
    Redx said:
    I would appeal on friday 22 may personally , as keeper, using the blue text template and adding a short paragraph stating that UKPC have failed to comply with POFA so as keeper you have no liability and they should cancel the pcn
    Why wait? 

    why not ? , no rush , so appeal before day 28 , usually around day 25 , so 22 may is a friday with a weekend in the way , the OP asked what I would do, that is what I would do , other opinions are available , ask 10 people and you will get 10 different opinions, I have mine , I did not query anyone elses opinion

    in any case POPLA is on furlough with no new cases being heard , so string it out

  • Tea_biscuits
    Tea_biscuits Posts: 102 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    edited 6 May 2020 at 10:54PM
    Fruitcake said:
    Appeal again using the template in blue from the NEWBIES and await a PoPLA code. 
    Complain to the BPA that the original appeal from the keeper was ignored.

    Compare the NTK line by line against the strict requirements of the PoFA to see if it is capable of transferring liability to the keeper. Construct a PoPLA appeal using all the relevant template points from the third post of the NEWBIERS and post the draft here for checking before you submit it.

    What happened when the keeper complained to the landowner?
    If the keeper is a resident of the place where the alleged event occurred, what does their lease/AST say about parking, permits, court etcetera? What it doesn't say is just as important.
    If the driver was visiting a resident, what does and doesn't the resident's lease/AST say.

    Has the keeper complained to their MP yet about this unregulated scam?
    The keeper did not know who land owner was so didn't complain, driver is not a resident and not visiting a resident either. 
    The registered keeper has not yet complained to their MP
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,296 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 6 May 2020 at 9:11PM
    Tea_biscuits, your latest post again tells the world who was driving.

    Suggest you urgently edit that post.

    Please take care.
  • Fruitcake
    Fruitcake Posts: 59,471 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    The OP is already past day 56 so I see no real advantage in waiting, but as you say, there is no rush as long as this second appeal is done before day 28 from issue of the NTK.

    I still think the OP should complain to the BPA because their initial keeper appeal was ignored.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister. :D
    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
    "You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 351.8K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.4K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454K Spending & Discounts
  • 244.7K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 600.2K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.3K Life & Family
  • 258.4K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.