APCOA, debt collector and QDR solicitors

Redx

Perhaps now you understand why I wrote my concise first post , because I saw apcoa and Northern Ireland and laughed twice for the reasons given in this thread

Once I regained my composure I replied

Ignore apcoa and qdr , especially as it is Northern Ireland

Complain to PALS ( the NHS , to the trust , whoever employed these scammers , so pals or the trust or the HR manager )
Get it cancelled at source , by those who have the power , plus tell them they do not have your permission to pass on your complaint or your data to apcoa or to qdr etc , the complaint must stay in house , give them the PCN reference and insist that it is cancelled )

It is a rarity to see any court cases in NI , if at all
There is no keeper liability in northern ireland , no POFA
We do not see APCOA cases anywhere , hence the reply by Umkomaas
I cannot tell you if you can actually get a CCJ in NI , different laws can apply in the different countries

I have no doubt in my mind that APCOA will never pick a northern ireland case if they wanted to try court

Do not look at cases in England and Wales and assume it's the same in your country , if that were true then you would not need Stormont , so don't throw away your gains over the last few decades , read and learn , do not assume

Jim434

Redx said:

Perhaps now you understand why I wrote my concise first post , because I saw apcoa and Northern Ireland and laughed twice for the reasons given in this thread

Once I regained my composure I replied

Ignore apcoa and qdr , especially as it is Northern Ireland

Complain to PALS ( the NHS , to the trust , whoever employed these scammers , so pals or the trust or the HR manager )
Get it cancelled at source , by those who have the power , plus tell them they do not have your permission to pass on your complaint or your data to apcoa or to qdr etc , the complaint must stay in house , give them the PCN reference and insist that it is cancelled )

It is a rarity to see any court cases in NI , if at all
There is no keeper liability in northern ireland , no POFA
We do not see APCOA cases anywhere , hence the reply by Umkomaas
I cannot tell you if you can actually get a CCJ in NI , different laws can apply in the different countries

I have no doubt in my mind that APCOA will never pick a northern ireland case if they wanted to try court

Do not look at cases in England and Wales and assume it's the same in your country , if that were true then you would not need Stormont , so don't throw away your gains over the last few decades , read and learn , do not assume

I have spoken to my own NHS trust who advised to do an appeal through the APCOA company first and also raise it as a complaint through the appropriate director in the NHS. I advised if your info above and the registered keeper etc.. His advice was absolutely do not ignore it as some cases have progressed further than just ‘chasing’ letters and this isn’t going away 

nosferatu1001

Their proof of this?
Have you confirmed for yourself that this is true?
Have you looked into the lack of Keeper liability, and APCOAs *complete* lack of ever suing anyone< even in cases where keeper liability COULD apply - which it categorically does not in any way shape or form apply, because NI has no such concept? 

Redx

APCOA routinely reject appeals , there is no popla , any appeal must be carefully worded to avoid giving away the driver

If you are appealing , do so as keeper to a postal NTK PCN by adapting the blue text template from the newbies FAQ sticky thread near the top of the forum , adding a paragraph stating that as keeper you have no liability because POFA does not apply in Northern Ireland and the driver will not be named

Remove any request for popla or the IAS , neither apply to NI

Jim434

nosferatu1001 said:

Their proof of this?
Have you confirmed for yourself that this is true?
Have you looked into the lack of Keeper liability, and APCOAs *complete* lack of ever suing anyone< even in cases where keeper liability COULD apply - which it categorically does not in any way shape or form apply, because NI has no such concept? 

I have noted the advice on here and think this makes much more sense than phoning  APCOA and potentially revealing the identity of the driver - to which I’m sure they would relish and chase for £142 to doomsday 

Redx

Nobody should be phoning a parking company , there is nothing to be achieved in a phone call.  You need a paper trail same as has happened already , they didn't phone you , they sent a letter

Because of the advice you sought elsewhere , I suggested you appeal as a Keeper of the vehicle , use the blue text template and state no keeper liability ( so f o and multiply , in simple jargon )

There is no second stage , but the NHS have the power to cancel the PCN , so should have got onboard , so poor decision by them which we would not tolerate in the other 3 countries over here, I suggest you don't tolerate it either

Jim434

Redx said:

Nobody should be phoning a parking company , there is nothing to be achieved in a phone call.  You need a paper trail same as has happened already , they didn't phone you , they sent a letter

Because of the advice you sought elsewhere , I suggested you appeal as a Keeper of the vehicle , use the blue text template and state no keeper liability ( so f o and multiply , in simple jargon )

There is no second stage , but the NHS have the power to cancel the PCN , so should have got onboard , so poor decision by them which we would not tolerate in the other 3 countries over here, I suggest you don't tolerate it either

I didn’t seek advice elsewhere to discount what Help I have been offered here. I contacted the NHS as was advised and the opinion of the staff member who deals with parking  was simply that the signs showed the location as red zone and car should not have been parked there - and as the letters sent to the registered keepers address have not been acted on it is now outside the appeals process anyway 

nosferatu1001

But nothing about their responsibility, as set out in the NHS parking principles, to ensure parking companies hav e no incentive to issue tickets (APCOA absolutely do, as they keep the money...) and patients should not be penalised for, well, being patients.
Shocking that. Its almost like they dont have your interests in mind...

Redx

Semantics , doesn't change the fact that you never telephone a parking company or a debt collector , you do everything in writing to have a paper record

I class that advice by that HR person as advice from elsewhere , elsewhere meaning not here on mse , that person has fobbed you off , we know this due to the thousands of times it has happened over here , but they could have been correct about not stopping in a red zone , that is common sense , same as red routes on public highways

You must do what you deem fit , we can only advise you and that has been done

Either you appeal it despite the time-lag , or you ignore , it's one or the other

the magic bullet option is your NHS telling APCOA to cancel it

BrownTrout

Umkomaas said:

posts saying this crowd should be ignored, there have been cases where a CCJ has been progressed

APCOA? Please find me one, just one.

Apcoa have issued court claims and proceeded to hearings for claims in Scotland