Are we allowed to go to work self employed?

TELLIT01

Our hairdresser comes to us, and she stopped working immediately the guidance / rules were issued.  We would be happy for her to come if masks were used, and we were her only clients, but that ain't currently allowed.  It's likely to put her at far more risk than her clients as she would be the one visiting multiple people, in multiple locations.  Much as I want my hair cut I wouldn't want to put her at risk.

spencerrothchild

TELLIT01 said:

Our hairdresser comes to us, and she stopped working immediately the guidance / rules were issued.  We would be happy for her to come if masks were used, and we were her only clients, but that ain't currently allowed.  It's likely to put her at far more risk than her clients as she would be the one visiting multiple people, in multiple locations.  Much as I want my hair cut I wouldn't want to put her at risk.

It’s going to be risky for about 18 months or longer until the vaccine 

Andy_L

Magnolia said:

Look - its simple - The Government website spells it out clearly!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close-guidance

To reduce social contact, the government has required by law the businesses and venues in the left-hand column to close to members of the public.
Hairdressers, barbers, beauty and nail salons, including piercing and tattoo parlours.

Like it or not - Your wife has a business whether it is salon based or mobile it is still a business and the rules say they must close - end of.

She has a business, but that business is not a beauty salon. The law needs some case law and/or government clarification to establish what it means

TELLIT01

spencerrothchild said:

TELLIT01 said:

Our hairdresser comes to us, and she stopped working immediately the guidance / rules were issued.  We would be happy for her to come if masks were used, and we were her only clients, but that ain't currently allowed.  It's likely to put her at far more risk than her clients as she would be the one visiting multiple people, in multiple locations.  Much as I want my hair cut I wouldn't want to put her at risk.

It’s going to be risky for about 18 months or longer until the vaccine 

I'm not waiting 18 months for a hair cut, and I'm not letting my missus loose on my barnet.

Magnolia

Andy_L said:

Magnolia said:

Look - its simple - The Government website spells it out clearly!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close-guidance

To reduce social contact, the government has required by law the businesses and venues in the left-hand column to close to members of the public.
Hairdressers, barbers, beauty and nail salons, including piercing and tattoo parlours.

Like it or not - Your wife has a business whether it is salon based or mobile it is still a business and the rules say they must close - end of.

She has a business, but that business is not a beauty salon. The law needs some case law and/or government clarification to establish what it means

For crying out loud!  How clearer do you want it!!! 
"the government has required by law the businesses and venues in the left-hand column to close to members of the public."

It specifies businesses!!!!

Why the heck are people trying to cherry pick which laws apply to them - a good pedant would say that it doesn't specify beauty salons only nail salons!  The grammar police would pick up on the lack of a comma after beauty but the bottom line is it specifies business.  It would hope that someone running their own business would have the intelligence to realise 'businesses and venues' applies to them!

Andy_L

Magnolia said:

Andy_L said:

Magnolia said:

Look - its simple - The Government website spells it out clearly!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close/further-businesses-and-premises-to-close-guidance

To reduce social contact, the government has required by law the businesses and venues in the left-hand column to close to members of the public.
Hairdressers, barbers, beauty and nail salons, including piercing and tattoo parlours.

Like it or not - Your wife has a business whether it is salon based or mobile it is still a business and the rules say they must close - end of.

She has a business, but that business is not a beauty salon. The law needs some case law and/or government clarification to establish what it means

For crying out loud!  How clearer do you want it!!! 
"the government has required by law the businesses and venues in the left-hand column to close to members of the public."

It specifies businesses!!!!

Why the heck are people trying to cherry pick which laws apply to them - a good pedant would say that it doesn't specify beauty salons only nail salons!  The grammar police would pick up on the lack of a comma after beauty but the bottom line is it specifies business.  It would hope that someone running their own business would have the intelligence to realise 'businesses and venues' applies to them!

The law doesnt match the guidance. That's why the police have been slapped down on a number of occasions for trying to enforce the guidance.

TELLIT01

The latest guidance, issued today, refers specifically to hair salons, not directly to the situation the OP is in as a mobile beautician.  If people are assumed to be safe on public transport with face covering, why is one to one contact (again with face covering) a higher risk.  It simply makes no sense.

The latest guidance in general is a total mess, utterly devoid of logic.  Just one example.  You can travel to a park as a family, and meet with one family member who does not reside with you, as long as social distancing is observed.  You can't meet 2 other family members even if everybody observes social distancing.  2 metres to the left and right of your group could be another group doing the same thing.  Distancing is exactly the same as it would be if meeting 2 members of your own family. 

Comms69

Can we stop referring to guidance as the law. It's not law. Never has been. Never will be. 

Whilst guidance is useful. It's basically no different to your GP saying, "try to have 5 fruit and veg a day". It's great, but ultimately not enforceable.

TELLIT01

If it's purely guidance how have police been able to issue fines for non compliance?

Andy_L

TELLIT01 said:

If it's purely guidance how have police been able to issue fines for non compliance?

Some of it is law, some is guidance
No gatherings of over 2 people is law,  Closing hair salons is law, not leaving the house without "reasonable excuse" is law. Maintaining 2m separation from other people is guidance.

and, just to confuse the issue, the law allows ministers to issue direction in certain areas  which then becomes law. eg the law says the SofS can decide that certain businesses (that aren't specifically named in the acts) should close and  they have to close, by law