Furlough scheme cut-off date extended to 19 March

Stevie_Boy_77

After tonight’s news about the cut off date 19th March,I still don’t qualify,I started new job on 16th March and was monthly pay,so no RTI submitted by new date as not paid till 27th March,I got paid off 30th March as boss couldn’t furlough me before as the date was 28th Feb,why in gods name did they not make the date 27th March last fri in the month,so anybody that started new job in March on monthly pay lose out?????

sharpe106

yes it will not help everybody but will help some. 

Jeremy535897

Stevie_Boy_77 said:

After tonight’s news about the cut off date 19th March,I still don’t qualify,I started new job on 16th March and was monthly pay,so no RTI submitted by new date as not paid till 27th March,I got paid off 30th March as boss couldn’t furlough me before as the date was 28th Feb,why in gods name did they not make the date 27th March last fri in the month,so anybody that started new job in March on monthly pay lose out?????

It's to do with the date the scheme was first announced.

Illusionary

Stevie_Boy_77 said:

After tonight’s news about the cut off date 19th March,I still don’t qualify,I started new job on 16th March and was monthly pay,so no RTI submitted by new date as not paid till 27th March,I got paid off 30th March as boss couldn’t furlough me before as the date was 28th Feb,why in gods name did they not make the date 27th March last fri in the month,so anybody that started new job in March on monthly pay lose out?????

If the scheme allowed claims for employees brought onto the payroll after the announcement date (20 March), it would be wide open for abuse. 

wymondham

Illusionary said:

wymondham said:

I'm still trying to understand the scenario of an  'ex' employee and Furlough. Why would a company that someone has just left furlough them?  This means re-hiring them, paying 80% of their wage until they can claim it back - this is a nightmare for companies who may have rejoiced at an employee leaving...….. a HR problem in the brewing!  I know of a company who now get lots of calls from ex employees wanting to be furloughed... why would a company do this?

Employee goodwill and just doing "the right thing". 

Companies are not social services, and employees need to remember that, despite being told it by the Government...

Stevie_Boy_77

The scheme was brought in to help employers and employees,certainly hasn’t helped me 28th Feb or 19th Mar,don’t see how the system could be abused,everything has to go thro tax and hmrc

nick74

Stevie_Boy_77 said:

The scheme was brought in to help employers and employees,certainly hasn’t helped me 28th Feb or 19th Mar,don’t see how the system could be abused,everything has to go thro tax and hmrc

If there was no cut-off date it would be very easy to abuse. Eg anyone with a payroll scheme could 'employ' their spouse, partner, cousins, mates, kids, neighbours, granny, pay them all £2500 for 3 months and claim the whole lot back from the government.

Illusionary

Stevie_Boy_77 said:

The scheme was brought in to help employers and employees,certainly hasn’t helped me 28th Feb or 19th Mar,don’t see how the system could be abused,everything has to go thro tax and hmrc

Abuse would be relatively easy, at least at the outset - in simplistic terms, add a friend/relative, etc., to the payroll then immediately furlough them and claim under the CJRS (of course, I am *not* recommending this). This is much less likely if the employment relationship needs to be in place prior to the announcement.

sharpe106

They have already said with the current restrictions they expect it will be abused, that people will find a way around it. They are just trying to limit it.  

lopsyfa

Won't this make some people who left their old job after 28-Feb but before 19-Mar ineligible to go back to their old employer for furlough? These people will be eligible under the old cut-off date.