police,cars and bailiffs did you watch this today ?

BAILIFFCHASER

no

The programme is showing how many people have not paid but at the same time is not showing how many incorrect parking tickets have been issued and how many fake ones exist which the onwer has never recieved.

For a pcn to be valid it has to be either affixed to the vehicle or handed to the driver. However if the ticket is being written and the driver drives off then it is not valid. However some people think that once a ticket has started to be written you have to wait for it. Also if the pa or traffic warden is blocking your path then you can use that against them in a appeal.. However people say this is illegal etc. Just wandering then are these not civil ?

roddydogs

The "Driving off" Rule will soon be changed.
How is a fine issued by a camera "Fixed" to the car? their still leagal.

SomeoneElse_2

Who is going to want to watch a programme that delves in to the technicalities of Parking Ticket Issuing. That would be the most boring programme ever.

The public want to see persistent evaders being punished and bailiffs going about their work, not an hour long documentry on the number of incorrectly issued tickets per year, which by the way will probably be around 5% of the total amount issued, which isn't going to be that interesting.

People who refuse to pay make up 70% of the debtors on any bailiffs database. If you send out 1000 letters requesting payment for a debt, only 25% will respond.

If these people are unemployed or on disability, then that is unfortunate, but most people will get several reminders from any court or local authority before it gets to a bailiff.

The average bailiff can visit 30-50 properties a day and will only catch around 10% of those people at home.

The national average collection rate accross the UK is only 30%, so the money a bailiff company makes on that 30% has to pay for the work carried out on the other 70% of cases, thanks to all those debtors who refuse to answer the door and refuse to respond to their letters.

Herbie, the figures you are relating to in respect of "Persistent Evaders" relates only to those people who have more than one outstanding fine. A person who simply ingnores a parking fine is not a persistent evader, and there are huge numbers of these.

mitty_2

yes

BAILIFFCHASER wrote: »

The only thing i could say is you cannot judge a book by its cover.

I appreciate & agree with the general points being made that balliffs can use underhand tactics and that not all parking tickets are fair (I can personally vouch for that!) but this programe seems to focus on people who have made a decision not to pay for legit parking and also not to pay any fines...interesting that most of the 'victims' have really expensive cars as well!
I just enjoy the programe for what it is, rich fine dodgers getting caught!

BAILIFFCHASER

no

mitty wrote: »

I appreciate & agree with the general points being made that balliffs can use underhand tactics and that not all parking tickets are fair (I can personally vouch for that!) but this programe seems to focus on people who have made a decision not to pay for legit parking and also not to pay any fines...interesting that most of the 'victims' have really expensive cars as well!
I just enjoy the programe for what it is, rich fine dodgers getting caught!

If you saw the last programme where they towed the red alfa romeo away. You would have heard the voice over saying the car was eventually released when the owner sucessfully apealed against his parking tickets. What does that tell you ? I have a feeling that people do not know how to handle the tickets.

BAILIFFCHASER

no

roddydogs wrote: »

The "Driving off" Rule will soon be changed.
How is a fine issued by a camera "Fixed" to the car? their still leagal.

This already has been challenged in court where it was ruled that a parking ticket was invalid as the driver drove off.

mitty_2

yes

BAILIFFCHASER wrote: »

If you saw the last programme where they towed the red alfa romeo away. You would have heard the voice over saying the car was eventually released when the owner sucessfully apealed against his parking tickets. What does that tell you ? I have a feeling that people do not know how to handle the tickets.

Point taken, but doesnt that also show that the system works? (ie he successfully appealed) No voice over for all the other cars either towed away or clamped.

BAILIFFCHASER

no

mitty wrote: »

Point taken, but doesnt that also show that the system works? (ie he successfully appealed) No voice over for all the other cars either towed away or clamped.

If they were to say this then the programme would not be a programme then would it ?

rog2

roddydogs wrote: »

How is a fine issued by a camera "Fixed" to the car? their still leagal.

These fines are 'legal' because they are 'backed by photographic evidence'. However, in order to be legally accepted the 'cameras' and those responsible for them, have to undergo regular legal checks - in fact many 'camera' penalties have been successfully contested on the basis that these checks were either not, or incorrectly, carried out.
Any 'element of doubt' would go in favour of the assumed driver.
We don't seem to have this 'avenue of defence' when confronted by bailiffs - even though there are circumstances where 'bailiff action' can be questioned or contested these are seldom if ever pointed out by the bailiffs, whereas a 'fixed penalty notice', relating to an alleged motoring offence, clearly states the options available to a defendant, should he/she wish to 'contest' the charge, along with that person's right to see the evidence in question.

roddydogs

BAILIFFCHASER wrote: »

This already has been challenged in court where it was ruled that a parking ticket was invalid as the driver drove off.

Did you notice the "Soon"?