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Defense for court claim - East Midlands Airport petrol station
I am working with my friend (the registered keeper) to defend against a VCS court claim against him for stopping at the petrol station at East Midlands Airport.
We have done the Acknowledgement of Service
We are basing the defense based on this thread https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6073673/vcs-ema-petrol-station-yet-again/p5
Our situation is basically exactly the same as the situation in this thread so have not modified the defense letter (below).
The deadline is in just less that 2 weeks.
Questions / help being asked for
- can someone check our situation and defense to make sure it is suitable before we submit it
- do we need to explain in our defense letter any details about the situation that resulted in the ticket (for example, that we had to stop the car to let the passenger visit the shop)?
Thanks!
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The situation leading to the ticket and claim
- My friend parked at the petrol station in a vacant spot (not a designated space) for several minutes
- During time a passenger left the car to go to the petrol station shop
- My friend moved his car to a proper parking space when one became free
- The passenger returned to the car after approx 5 mins
- After this, my friend left the petrol station
The fee being asked for is £160. My friend has not taken any other action up until receiving the county court claim letter and form, at which point we started looking for help and finding this helpful forum.
Draft Defense
Comments
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What is the Issue Date on the County Court Claim Form?
On what date was an Acknowledgment of Service filed?
Please don't guess - the MCOL claim history will have the definitive answers.3 -
That defence is a start, but too short & generic. A decent Airport defence example was written in 2019, can anyone find it?
It mentioned Ransomes and Jopson to trump VCS v Crutchley and VCS v Ward.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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The issue date is 28 Jan 2020KeithP said:What is the Issue Date on the County Court Claim Form?
On what date was an Acknowledgment of Service filed?
Please don't guess - the MCOL claim history will have the definitive answers.
The AoS was made on 4th Feb 2020Coupon-mad said:That defence is a start, but too short & generic. A decent Airport defence example was written in 2019, can anyone find it?
It mentioned Ransomes and Jopson to trump VCS v Crutchley and VCS v Ward.Just to clarify - this was at the petrol station at East Midlands airport.
We've copied the defense from the one linked to above which is a very similar situation at the same place, and is very recent (Dec 2019). I don't understand how this can be generic and short when the one linked to is not considered generic and short?0 -
The issue date is 28 Jan 2020
The AoS was made on 4th Feb 2020With a Claim Issue Date of 28th January, and having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 2nd March 2020 to file your Defence.
That's over two weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
When you are happy with the content, your Defence could be filed via email as suggested here:
- Print your Defence.
- Sign it and date it.
- Scan the signed document back in and save it as a pdf.
- Send that pdf as an email attachment to CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk
- Just put the claim number and the word Defence in the email title, and in the body of the email something like 'Please find my Defence attached'.
- No need to do anything on MCOL, but do check it after a few days to see if the Claim is marked "defence received". If not, chase the CCBC until it is.
After filing your Defence, there is more to do... - Do not be surprised to receive an early copy of the Claimant's Directions Questionnaire. Nothing of interest there. Just file it.
- Wait for your own Directions Questionnaire from the CCBC, or download one from the internet - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track , and then complete it as described by bargepole in his 'what happens when' post linked from post #2 of the NEWBIES thread - https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4816822/newbies-private-parking-ticket-old-or-new-read-these-faqs-first-thankyou"]
- The completed DQ should be returned by email to the CCBC to the same address and in the same way as your Defence was filed earlier.
- Send a copy of your completed DQ to the Claimant - to their address on your Claim Form.
2 - Print your Defence.
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The bye law /POFA issue is covered well
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Found this one, any good?Coupon-mad said:That defence is a start, but too short & generic. A decent Airport defence example was written in 2019, can anyone find it?
It mentioned Ransomes and Jopson to trump VCS v Crutchley and VCS v Ward.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6031345/court-letter-robinhood-airport-bus-stop-pcn-help/p6
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Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP., it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and in some cases, cancellation.
Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.
Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted
Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.
You never know how far you can go until you go too far.1 -
Can anyone help me with my case.
Its the same also.
I have got a telephone call coming up.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/77119069#Comment_77119069
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