MIF grace period between jobs?

AG47

calcotti wrote: »

You are mixing up MIF and earnings thresholds.

The MIF is an amount that self employed people are assumed to earn if they actually earn less.

Earnings thresholds affect your UC requirements. See http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2019-0980/2._Administrative_and_Conditionality_Earnings_Thresholds_v3.0.pdf

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2019-0980/157._Work_related_activities_and_the_Labour_Market_regimes_v6.0.pdf

calcotti wrote: »

Yes I am sure. If people are employed the MIF does not apply, it only applies to self employed people. As huckster says OP may be mixing up the MIF and the CET.

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Self-employment-and-minimum-income-floor-Universal-Credit

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2018-0759/CC_-_Earnings_Thresholds_v1.0.pdf

Yes you are right I certainly have got mixed up with MIF and CET.

So I’m still not clean what happens if a couple (with kids who need to get high housing benefit so need to be not affected by the benefit cap) earn only about £560 month?

Will they both have to keep going to job centre often and be pressured to work more and more?

AG47

So what is the difference between CET and AET?

CET is £569.22 a month currently ((£8.21 x 16 x 52) / 12) and AET which is £541?

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2018-0759/CC_-_Earnings_Thresholds_v1.0.pdf

Is it that if a couple earns less than £569.22mth then they have job hunting conditionality?

So as long as you both earn over £570 month then you are exempt from the cap and exempt from job search conditionality?

Spoonie_Turtle

calcotti wrote: »

You are mixing up MIF and earnings thresholds.

The MIF is an amount that self employed people are assumed to earn if they actually earn less.

Earnings thresholds affect your UC requirements. See http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2019-0980/2._Administrative_and_Conditionality_Earnings_Thresholds_v3.0.pdf

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2019-0980/157._Work_related_activities_and_the_Labour_Market_regimes_v6.0.pdf

Those links don't work for me (so I'm not sure the poster to whom you were replying even tried to read them, despite you putting in the effort to point them in the right direction).

calcotti

Spoonie_Turtle wrote: »

Those links don't work for me (so I'm not sure the poster to whom you were replying even tried to read them, despite you putting in the effort to point them in the right direction).

Not working me me either but I can’t work out why so I can’t fix them!

AG47

AG47 wrote: »

So what is the difference between CET and AET?

CET is £569.22 a month currently ((£8.21 x 16 x 52) / 12) and AET which is £541?

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2018-0759/CC_-_Earnings_Thresholds_v1.0.pdf

Is it that if a couple earns less than £569.22mth then they have job hunting conditionality?

So as long as you both earn over £570 month then you are exempt from the cap and exempt from job search conditionality?

Can anybody please newer this?

calcotti

AG47 wrote: »

So what is the difference between CET and AET?

CET is £569.22 a month currently ((£8.21 x 16 x 52) / 12) and AET which is £541?

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2018-0759/CC_-_Earnings_Thresholds_v1.0.pdf

Is it that if a couple earns less than £569.22mth then they have job hunting conditionality?

So as long as you both earn over £570 month then you are exempt from the cap and exempt from job search conditionality?

My understanding is

• Once household income exceeds the household CET no further work requirements apply.
  
• Between the AET and CET you are expected to do work related activity but not look for work.
  
• Below AET there is a full work search requirement.

Obviously the above are only relevant if no other exemptions apply.

I have previously seen a reasonably clear guide to how these thresholds work but am struggling to find it an the moment.

Spoonie_Turtle

AG47 wrote: »

Can anybody please newer this?

Did you read the link you posted yourself?

In a couple household, if one of the adults earns above the household CET, both claimants are placed in the working enough regime, regardless of if they are both working or not.

EDIT: my apologies, that only answers half the question, it doesn't answer about the benefits cap. I don't know the answer to that.

EDIT 2: Also the conditionality threshold varies according to individual circumstances. It goes by the expected hours for a claimant's circumstances, e.g. taking into account childcare or casting responsibilities, etc. So the CET is not a set amount for everyone claiming.

calcotti

For information on the benefits cap and UC see https://revenuebenefits.org.uk/universal-credit/guidance/entitlement-to-uc/benefit-cap/

calcotti

This is what I was looking for earlier

https://www.uceplus.co.uk/light-touch-regime.html

AG47

Spoonie_Turtle wrote: »

EDIT: my apologies, that only answers half the question, it doesn't answer about the benefits cap. I don't know the answer to that.

EDIT 2: Also the conditionality threshold varies according to individual circumstances. It goes by the expected hours for a claimant's circumstances, e.g. taking into account childcare or casting responsibilities, etc. So the CET is not a set amount for everyone claiming.

“Couple (with or without children) or a single parent - £442.21 a week”

This is very high for some low income families in London.

How long is the grace period where this does not apply?