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PCN received after friend parked car in my private parking space

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  • NeilCr
    NeilCr Posts: 4,430 Forumite
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    edited 8 March 2020 at 12:56AM
    The MA refuses to comment on who they are but that the only conduit to the resident directors is through them and then back to the same old "PPC has an appeals process and an ombudsman so its super fair and honest and therefore this is not the right way to complain" etc etc
    Resident directors are probably people that own several properties on the development and have a vested interest in the "goings on" 😉


    As a tenant have you tried going through your landlord? If it is a ManCo they will be a shareholder and will know who the directors are.

    Speaking as a resident director I only wish that I had several properties on our development. Directors, for the most part, give their free time voluntarily to help run the estate and assist residents with issues. Sure, there are a few who see it as an ego trip but the majority of us do it with a good will. 

    :):)

  • Good to know there are still some human beings out there in the world of property management. 🙂
    To be honest harsh though it sounds i feel the letter to landowner i suggested earlier is not that inappropriate at this stage, if they are not aware of the poor practices of their agents thats on them. 
    If they do nothing or just get offended i will still be going to court either way. 😏
  • NeilCr
    NeilCr Posts: 4,430 Forumite
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    edited 8 March 2020 at 8:25AM
    Good to know there are still some human beings out there in the world of property management. 🙂
    To be honest harsh though it sounds i feel the letter to landowner i suggested earlier is not that inappropriate at this stage, if they are not aware of the poor practices of their agents thats on them. 
    If they do nothing or just get offended i will still be going to court either way. 😏
    There are good and bad directors just as there are good and bad owners and good and bad tenants. :):)

    As I have said before good luck with this as I don't agree with own space tickets. Given your letter I expect you will end up in court :):)

    One further suggestion. As a member of the ManCo your LL should be entitled to see the contract. Might be worth asking them if they could get you a copy
  • D_P_Dance
    D_P_Dance Posts: 11,591 Forumite
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    edited 8 March 2020 at 10:00AM
    Resident directors are probably people that own several properties on the development and have a vested interest in the "goings on"I

    Indeed, one of the directors of  the MC of one of my properties  owns 30+ flats and is hand in glove with the MA.

    Unfortunately in many blocks,  many of the residents are total rifff raff, all they are concerned about is that their Housing Benefit  arrives on time.

    Not so long ago I tried to interest  the residents of one of the blocks where I own property  in injuncting the MC over a parking issue.  Of the twelve  residents, only one was supportive, one was hostile, one launched into a diatribe against the HA, and the remainder were apathetic.  
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • NeilCr
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    D_P_Dance said:
    Not so long ago I tried to interest  the residents of one of the blocks where I own a flat in injuncting the MC over a parking issue.  Of the twekve  residents, only one was supportive, one was hostile, one launched into a diatribe against the HA, and the remainder were apathetic.  
    Which just basically underlines what I (and at least one other) have been saying about getting group action on something like this

    The vast majority of residents aren't that bothered one way or the other about PPCs.




  • One further suggestion. As a member of the ManCo your LL should be entitled to see the contract. Might be worth asking them if they could get you a copy
    They have already asked and been told no they cant have it because "there is a confidentiality clause in the contract that prevents them from providing it to residents. The contract is between the PPC and MCL for the management of parking on the development".
    Two things: the contract is between the ppc and ManCo, does it specifically have to be between the ppc and the landowner which on the lease is a differently named LLP.
    The whole point of seeing the contract for me would be to see who the contract is between which seems not to be the landowner and ppc! 
  • NeilCr
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    edited 8 March 2020 at 11:09AM
    One further suggestion. As a member of the ManCo your LL should be entitled to see the contract. Might be worth asking them if they could get you a copy
    They have already asked and been told no they cant have it because "there is a confidentiality clause in the contract that prevents them from providing it to residents. The contract is between the PPC and MCL for the management of parking on the development".
    Two things: the contract is between the ppc and ManCo, does it specifically have to be between the ppc and the landowner which on the lease is a differently named LLP.
    The whole point of seeing the contract for me would be to see who the contract is between which seems not to be the landowner and ppc! 
    To be honest that does sound a lot of b******s. 

    That's exactly why you need to see the contract. I have spoken to our MA about this recently and she told me that if we had such a contract it would be between us (the ManCo) and the PPC. What does happen (and there was a case like this on here recently) is that the MA can sign  for and on behalf of the ManCo. I am not saying that this is how it is in every instance but that was her advice. 

    If your landlord is really onside they could demand to see a copy of the contract. I would - and as a director I'd have no problem with letting any shareholder in the ManCo see it either.
  • D_P_Dance
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     I'd have no problem with letting any shareholder in the ManCo see it either.

    IMO if a shareholder in the MC asks to see a contract it should/must be produced.  If refues the matter should be raised at the next AGM and voted on.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • NeilCr
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    edited 8 March 2020 at 12:30PM
    D_P_Dance said:
     I'd have no problem with letting any shareholder in the ManCo see it either.

    IMO if a shareholder in the MC asks to see a contract it should/must be produced.  If refues the matter should be raised at the next AGM and voted on.
    I tend to agree

     Even if the contract is between the MA and the PPC the ManCo would have instructed the MA to bring in the PPC


    Getting them to produce it is the hard part  particularly given OP is a tenant. It's on the LL if they want to pursue the issue. 
  • beamerguy
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    beamerguy said:
    Surely in view of the buck passing going on it is time to say to someone, you want them as your witness in court to explain themselves and be bound by the truth

    If the residents wont even muster the resolve to write a collective complaint i cant see any of them turning up in court! 🙄
    If they are summoned to appear, they must or face a penalty from the court
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