Vehicle Control Services PCN in a residential car park

John464

Coupon-mad said:

Residents only have themselves to blame.  We do say 'be careful what you wish for' when we get the odd person posting whinging about a person parking in their space, once. 

Get over it...do not get a PPC!

If you spend your life on here you might think that everyone hates PPCs - but they don't.
I know tenants who say the PPC does a good job.  We couldn't get a parking space before we had them .... I just display my permit and my parking problems stopped when they took over ... etc
They wouldn't take kindly to anyone attacking the PPC in their name.  They would end up falling out with their neighbours as swell as the PPC which would make their life a lot worse.

D_P_Dance

But why do you display a permit?  What does your lease/AST say about it?   

These companies cause untold stress and misery, breaking up marriages, enabling suicides, penury.  Do you really endorse this?  If so you are posting on the wrong board.  

Coupon-mad

If you spend your life on here you might think that everyone hates PPCs - but they don't.

They do once they get targetted.  PPCs have ruined people's credit ratings, sent them into serious debt and have caused suicides in more than one case I have heard about, off-forum.  This is why I come here and post. 

The fact most people are oblivious to the scam, is not a reason not to fight the scam for those victims who are hounded and might be too weak or uninformed to handle it.

Agreed, most people have never given it a second thought but look at the poor girl set up for a shameful ''look at us, we are in the IPC'' Show Trial on Judge Rinder on the thread about that clueless hearing, and that's what it does to people. 

I believe she was a real victim but encouraged to take part and used as a patsy.    The PPC were responsible for issuing permits as well as issuing PCNs, but they issued 35 of the latter instead of a permit, and Judge Rinder didn't even see the irony of that, let alone the conflict of interests and the Consumer Rights Act issues with the black sign. 

The only true thing that came across with loud and clear honesty from that show, was the impact on her life.  Her issue was at was her new workplace, but its on all fours with residential parking victims and the show trial will have convinced some victims to pay PPCs, and get into debt, all for PERMITTED parking at their homes or workplaces. 

It is shocking and such leech firms should not be allowed to operate in residential sites unless they exempt & rescind ALL PCNs for workers and residents.

Guess why they won't do that?  It's because those people are the victims.

NeilCr

D_P_Dance said:

But why do you display a permit?  What does your lease/AST say about it?   

These companies cause untold stress and misery, breaking up marriages, enabling suicides, penury.  Do you really endorse this?  If so you are posting on the wrong board.  

Whoa. Hang on. Suicides?

Can you link us to any cases please?

The main one that I am aware of is Jerome Rogers whose incredibly sad case was the subject of a TV programme. Jerome had two tickets from Camden Council which ended up in court (final cost was over £1k). After that and visits from bailiffs Jerome committed suicide. There was heavy criticism of the bailiffs at the time and I know from my own experience that some of their behaviour is still absolutely appalling
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I see people in debt a lot and the effects (both short term and long term) can be devastating. Debt, in itself, can and does cause the issues that you mention - stress, family
discord and more. And, again, incredibly sadly, in a few instances, suicide has followed. Many others attempt it

https://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/mental-health-week-debt-suicide-prevent-money-credit-cards-income-budget-direct-debit-a8917656.html

But, I do think you have to be very careful about making the sort of allegations that you have made here so hard evidence would be welcomed. Clearly, PPCs and DCAs do behave badly but, to be fair to John464 his main point was that there  are people who have no problems with PPCs on their sites.  I don't doubt that he is right. I can think of at least two of my fellow directors who wouldn't have a issue with it. Your reaction to his post was - IMHO anyway - over the  top

Coupon-mad

Whoa. Hang on. Suicides?
Can you link us to any cases please?

It is true according to the TePag group in Wales, headed by Sue Prior.   There have been two where the deaths were said by the family to be at least partly caused by unfair private parking charges amounting to thousands and basically doing the person's head in. 

The industry is worse than clamping used to be because of what they now do to people's minds. I have had a suicide in the family a few years back that was not caused by relationships but by health and severe money worries (nuff said) so you can imagine that what PPCs do to people's mental health, is one thing that drives what I do.

NeilCr

Coupon-mad said:

Whoa. Hang on. Suicides?
Can you link us to any cases please?

It is true according to the TePag group in Wales, headed by Sue Prior.   There have been two where the deaths were said by the family to be at least partly caused by unfair private parking charges amounting to thousands and basically doing the person's head in. 

The industry is worse than clamping used to be because of what they now do to people's minds. I have had a suicide in the family a few years back that was not caused by relationships but by health and severe money worries (nuff said) so you can imagine that what PPCs do to people's mental health, is one thing that drives what I do.

Thanks C-M.

It would be interesting to see citations but, as ever, these things are private and, very often, none of us really know what was going on in the person's head. Jerome Rogers is the "well known" case when it comes to parking tickets and all that I have read indicates it was the actions of the bailiffs that was the real issue

I have been heavily affected by suicide and serious suicide attempts by people extremely close to me. I, also, spent a number of years as a Samaritan so do have quite a lot of insight. 

Personally, I think it needs a much more holistic approach to debt and debt collection as outlined in the article I quoted. Debts of all kind bring these sorts of pressures to many (the article talks about 100k suicide attempts) and there are varying (from good to the downright disgraceful) debt recovery practices in operation

I am quite touchy on this subject (for obvious reasons) and it would be nice if D P Dance could substantiate his remarks. In this age it's all too easy for these to be repeated and enhanced and then become "the truth"! We hear some crackers at CAB.

MoneySavingPest

I have now received a Claim Form for this one, so the County Court battle is now on.
I am having a look through the material on the Newbies thread again, firstly to deal with the AOS.
While I do that, any thoughts on tactics, if you are somebody who just wants the PPC to go away?
- Does the timing of the AOS matter (other than meeting the deadline, obviously)? 
- Does the timing of the Defence submission matter (other than meeting the deadline)?
- What is the effect of making a counterclaim on the probability of the PPC going away? In theory I could make a claim of several hundred pounds based on my time value on this - which might make them try and settle if they think they are going to lose, or defend it more vigorously if they think they are going to win. Not sure what the best call is on that.
Cheers!

Le_Kirk

If you post the issue date of the claim form, @KeithP will be along to give you some deadlines.  It is recommended to wait about five days after the issue date before the AoS as it gives maximum time for submitting defence.  @KeithP will also add some links for sound advice about AoS and defence writing.

Ralph-y

please follow the good advice above ..........

then

bookmark this link for when you are a little further forward ...

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6150427/telephone-hearing-to-set-aside-ccj-at-country-court/p1

Ralph

Umkomaas

What is the effect of making a counterclaim on the probability of the PPC going away? In theory I could make a claim of several hundred pounds based on my time value on this - which might make them try and settle if they think they are going to lose, or defend it more vigorously if they think they are going to win. Not sure what the best call is on that.

You will have to pay to issue a cc which must accompany your defence. You can't cc after you have submitted your defence. Once it's made, the PPC will be committed to pay you or defend.