Password managers, for phone and desktop.

JustAnotherSaver

I use KeePass. Have never used anything else. I think it's quite good.

When looking at alternatives, or rather password managers in general, KeePass never comes top or even near it. Makes me wonder about these other programs. LastPass is one i remember coming top or near top frequently.


I remember one complaint i read about KeePass a few times .... not for beginners. I don't know why it isn't. I'm no expert and i think it's fine for beginners. What i like best about it is the ability to add notes. So if i have a load of security questions for an account for example, i can put all that stuff in the notes.




Like i said, i'm curious about the other programs so i'm putting this out there preferably for someone who's experienced KeePass as well as others and can talk to me about pros and cons of each and what others could offer me.


Needs to be free & needs to be available on both phone (currently iPhone) and PC.



Yes i could download each and every one and try it out but i'd like to discuss with someone or a few people who've tried them out and given various ones a good go.

RumRat

I use Lastpass....It just works...I have it on 3PC's, 2 Laptops, 3 Tablets and 2 Phones, all working seamlessly..

A.Penny.Saved

I will not use online password storage which is a security disaster waiting to happen IMO.

I have used Keepass for many years and I am satisfied with it. It has advantages over other password managers because it works on many different applications and not just browsers. The autotype can enter details into any fields in any application.

Tying the passwords to a keyfile and/or windows accounts makes it extremely secure. Also the password is computationally intensive which slows down any attempts at password guessing/cracking. This is important to me because I have my ebay, Amazon and bank login details stored in Keepass although my bank uses a card reader now so that is not really necessary.

Roland_Sausage

I use 1Password and have been using it since I moved away from Lastpass when they were hacked.

Unfortunately they do seem to be trying to push people towards their cloud syncing subscription model, but you can still purchase a one off licence and not use their cloud storage, instead opting to sync your devices across icloud, Dropbox, etc (an encrypted file of course)

[Deleted User]

Ahh, if only we had a search facility on here...

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5948948

RumRat

Roland_Sausage wrote: »

I use 1Password and have been using it since I moved away from Lastpass when they were hacked.

That was 10 years ago and all that the hack proved was that hackers could not access any of your passwords or form details.
Any password manager won't protect idiots with simple passwords that they use on multiple sites from being hacked.
Also, not invoking two factor authentication wherever possible is bordering on insanity...

tempus_fugit

I use 1Password, mainly because I have Macs and a few years ago 1Password was the go-to password manager if you used a Mac. It has always more than adequately met my needs and therefore I have stuck with it, but I’ve heard a lot about others, especially LastPass, and I have no doubt that it is probably just as good as 1Password.

For anyone thinking of getting a password manager, 1Password, LastPass, KeePass, I reckon they all serve their purpose and it’s down to which one you would feel most comfortable with. Check them out and go with the one you like best, we’re all going to recommend the one we use, naturally. But one thing is for sure, having “memorable passwords” is no longer appropriate, as we all have so many passwords nowadays and the important thing is that they are all different and all complex, and a password manager is the safest and most reliable way of achieving this. Also use 2-factor authentication when possible too to keep things as secure as possible, or at least until newer ways of authentication come in to replace the idea of passwords.

tempus_fugit

RumRat wrote: »

That was 10 years ago and all that the hack proved was that hackers could not access any of your passwords or form details.
Any password manager won't protect idiots with simple passwords that they use on multiple sites from being hacked.
Also, not invoking two factor authentication wherever possible is bordering on insanity...

That’s true, although it would seem strange to me if someone paid for a password manager and not use its ability to create random, complex passwords for their accounts. That would seem to me to be one of the main reasons for having one.

RumRat

tempus_fugit wrote: »

That’s true, although it would seem strange to me if someone paid for a password manager and not use its ability to create random, complex passwords for their accounts. That would seem to me to be one of the main reasons for having one.

Lastpass is free, otherwise true......It seems that many don't use the random facility regardless.

JustAnotherSaver

A.Penny.Saved wrote: »

although my bank uses a card reader now so that is not really necessary.

One of my bank accounts (in fact 2 i think) use card readers, but i still need to know various bits of info for them - customer numbers, security info. So i'll still have a KeePass entry for this.

Say i need to phone up and there's questions i may be asked - i have these in the notes section so that i can have them at hand when i'm on the phone to them.

Roland_Sausage wrote: »

you can still purchase a one off licence and not use their cloud storage

This is pretty much one of my few criteria for these things ....
* has to be free. Or at the very very least like you say, a one off purchase but if i'm paying then it better be bloody good and give me something for that purchase.

* Has to be PC and phone based. Nothing to do with clouds. Or if there is a cloud option then that's all it can be - an option. I don't like things up in the sky. I don't keep anything overly important in Dropbox or Google Drive. Nothing that isn't backed up on a hard drive somewhere anyway.

Colin_Maybe wrote: »

Ahh, if only we had a search facility on here...

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5948948

Oh wow. There's a shocker. One of 'the ones' that have been on my threads the past week or so with nothing but a grumble. Will Mollycat, mercdriver, Adrian and that Shaun guy be joining you later or are you coming alone? Look how you're the only one in this thread with that kind of reply too. Shocker. Not!

RumRat wrote: »

That was 10 years ago and all that the hack proved was that hackers could not access any of your passwords or form details.

Yeah i remember reading something about that. Not sure what was exactly hacked then but i remember they couldn't get to peoples passwords.

Also, not invoking two factor authentication wherever possible is bordering on insanity...

Agreed. I was frequently getting messages to my iPhone that someone in China was trying to access my Apple account, allow or not. Or someone in India. Thankfully without my phone they can't access the account. I've since changed the password.

tempus_fugit wrote: »

But one thing is for sure, having “memorable passwords” is no longer appropriate, as we all have so many passwords nowadays and the important thing is that they are all different and all complex, and a password manager is the safest and most reliable way of achieving this. .

That's one i wanted to ask...


What do you guys do regards your passwords? Now i have an absolute ton of them. Banking, forums, websites. A ridiculous amount of passwords (or rather accounts).
Do you guys use a random password generator for each and every one? Or do you have a few specific passwords?
If you go the random password generator route, how long a password is your preference?

RumRat wrote: »

Lastpass is free, otherwise true......It seems that many don't use the random facility regardless.

I am guilty of this.



I do use different passwords but all the same, they are actually chosen by me and not a random bunch of keyboard smashing.







Still, I don't want to come across as rude or for anyone to take this the wrong way but so far we have ones like 1Password and LastPass mentioned but unless i've missed it, i don't think my question has actually been answered ...... what do these other ones provide over KeePass that could make them better?


Cloud service would be one i can see that but beyond that?
Or is it a simple case of the GUI? I like these colourful images better than those dull images kind of thing so i'll go with this program even though they're basically the same thing? Is that what it is?

Like i said, i could keep downloading app after app after app to try each out but i was hoping to discuss with someone or a few people who've actually been there & done that and can say well X is good but Y does the same AND this...this...& this kind of thing.

[Deleted User]

JustAnotherSaver wrote: »

Oh wow. There's a shocker. One of 'the ones' that have been on my threads the past week or so with nothing but a grumble. Will Mollycat, mercdriver, Adrian and that Shaun guy be joining you later or are you coming alone? Look how you're the only one in this thread with that kind of reply too. Shocker. Not!

Am I supposed to remember you for some reason? Sorry to disappoint.

Ahh, I've just had a quick look and you're not well thought of are you. I'd challenge you to find where I've 'grumbled' at (presumably) one of your posts though. The only one I could find I actually supported you (with hindsight a mistake apparently).

Why should anyone repeat what I suggested either?

Now, where is that ignore button again?