Election impact on investments

JoeEngland

m_c_s wrote: »

I too think Referenda should have a minimum victory % set by law (say 60 or 65%) to ensure a clear intent.

In other words to ensure the tyranny of the minority.

JoeEngland

Triumph13 wrote: »

I personally would have much preferred there to be a second referendum months ago, but it needed to be a genuine one. 'If parliament can't agree on a deal should we leave without one or remain?'
As regards your point though, in a complex election with many other issues at play I would say that isn't sufficient evidence on its own to be a clear mandate for another referendum. And the SNP's 45% isn't even close.

The second referendum could have included leave with the negotiated withdrawal agreement.

JoeEngland

Apodemus wrote: »

The Government could resolve the SNP demands very easily by quickly pushing through a Referendums Bill requiring that ALL referendums on constitutional issues require a 60% majority for any change. It would mean that if genuine demand for change was clearly expressed, then it could be granted. Anything less and we risk making big changes on the whims of a few swing voters.

The same could be said for any election that swing voters are the result of change, and calling their vote a "whim" is patronising. The problem with a threshold of more than 50% + 1 vote means that the minority are privileged. Imagine that you set the threshold at 60% but there's always a majority of say 55% which are ignored.

bostonerimus

WYSPECIAL wrote: »

:beer: My thoughts exactly. We should all get to vote in it.

By that logic EU countries should have voted in the Brexit referendum.

bostonerimus

Apodemus wrote: »

The Government could resolve the SNP demands very easily by quickly pushing through a Referendums Bill requiring that ALL referendums on constitutional issues require a 60% majority for any change. It would mean that if genuine demand for change was clearly expressed, then it could be granted. Anything less and we risk making big changes on the whims of a few swing voters.

Should that be retroactive on all referendums?

atush

JoeEngland wrote: »

The second referendum could have included leave with the negotiated withdrawal agreement.

But the people voted against that on Thursday

nigelbb

atush wrote: »

But the people voted against that on Thursday

A minority of the people voted against that on Thursday. 51.5% of all votes were cast for parties who were in favour of a further referendum while only 46.4% of votes were cast for parties who supported leaving the EU.

stephenadarglas

Triumph13 wrote: »

I've just gone and checked the overall results for Scotland and there is a very simple answer for Boris when the SNP demand another referendum. Their claim is that the results of this election are a mandate for a new referendum. All he has to do is keep pointing out that 55% of Scottish voters voted for parties that support the Union.

Spot on!!!! They had their chance and their !!!!!! went at the ballot box.

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nigelbb wrote: »

A minority of the people voted against that on Thursday. 51.5% of all votes were cast for parties who were in favour of a further referendum while only 46.4% of votes were cast for parties who supported leaving the EU.

That’s a maths problem. LDs opposed referendum. So did the Tories. They got majority between them, let alone Brexit et al.

LHW99

A minority of the people voted against that on Thursday. 51.5% of all votes were cast for parties who were in favour of a further referendum while only 46.4% of votes were cast for parties who supported leaving the EU.

IMO its difficult to include labour as a "further referendum" party. They began in 2016 saying they would respect the vote to leave. Then they helped defeat an option for a referendum during the indicative vote process, then they wouldn't vote for either of the negotiated deals, then they thought they could piggyback on the People's Vote campaign this election. Their vote was significantly down in both leave and remain constituencies because no one could really judge / trust what their position really was.
At least the conservative / LD's were very clear, and the difference in their vote % can be considered absolutely representative of the "Get on and do it" vs "Don't even think about it" options.